As Max and John remarked, the Iranian regime’s declaration that it will proceed with 10 more enrichment sites is quite a rebuke for those who fancied that “engagement” would bring results. Well, results we do have: a level of contempt and brazenness heretofore not seen from the Iranians. As the Wall Street Journal‘s editors put it:
The regime scoffed at Mr. Obama after he delivered a conciliating message for the Persian New Year in March, scoffed again after he mildly criticized its post-election crackdown and killing spree in June (following days of silence), and scoffed a third time by rejecting the West’s offer last month to enrich Iran’s uranium for it. Yet the Administration insists the enrichment deal is still Iran’s for the taking. “A few years ago [the West] said we had to completely stop all our nuclear activities,” Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said last month. “Now look where we are today.”
Those are the words of a man who believes he has Mr. Obama’s number.
We see once again that Obama’s worldview, which is premised on the notion that our enemies are insufficiently respected and understood, has proved dangerously faulty. We have given the Iranians nearly a year to proceed with their program as well as, and more important, the impression that we do not have the will to challenge their nuclear ambitions. They do not feel the need to play along with negotiations or even offer to enter spurious, unverifiable agreements. It was, it seems, not lack of respect or an insufficient dose of American humility that was the root of the problem. It was the nature of a regime determined to become a nuclear power that can press for regional hegemony.
Each step we took — shrinking from confrontation, defunding democracy protesters, bad-mouthing the military option — only emboldened the Iranians and will make any future threats and sanctions less credible. Obama’s Iranian-engagement policy will rank as one of his team’s worst foreign-policy blunders, in an administration replete with errors, misjudgment, and gaffes. America and its allies are less safe as a result and will rightly hold the president responsible for having done much to encourage the mullahs.
she has the hard core socialist big goverment vote. certain constituencies really go for that stuff.
According to one late poll, Clinton has a commanding 9 point lead in Ohio. I’m not sure why this poll hasn’t gotten any press, or how reputable it is (from instapundit link):
http://www.ipr.uc.edu/PDF/OhioPoll/elec1.pdf
Has it occurred to anyone that Obama might be saving some revelations about Hillary’s past?
You saying, Bob, that if Hillary wins TX and OH, Obama will be looking at nuclear war toe-to-toe with the Hillaruskies?
Be still, my beating heart!
I hope Hillary wins in Ohio and Texas, for one reason only. To stick it to the media pundits who have been trying to bury her now for weeks and have reported only doom and gloom from her camp while sunshine and smiles from Obama’s camp, substanceless as always.
One Hillary fan at an Ohio rally had a placard that said something like, “The media shouldn’t determine the outcome of this race.” Right on sister.
This presents a dilemma to normal people, who have serious issues with both Hillary and the media.
Bob: I think Hillary is much better for McCain to run against. Obama presents too many unknowns: will enough people throw caution to the wind for a ‘change agent?’; will identity politics (and ageism) trump wisdom and send people to the polls to ‘send a message to the world’ about the new post-racial America? I for one am concerned that enough people will buy his act and ignore his far left agenda.
With Hil, we know what we’re getting. The most unlikeable presidential candidate in living memory, who large swaths of Dems have a problem with, who independents view with disdain, and who Republicans view with horror. I know who I’d rather run against.
Too many unknowns is a two-edged (not to mention too edged) sword. All by itself, the sense of “too many unknowns” may be enough to sink a presidential candidacy, and to make the party that nominated too many unknowns look un-serious – even before opponents have done him the favor of filling the vacuum with something other than belief in hopeful change. BO’s perceived electability advantage has been in the process of evaporating. Resounding wins in OH and TX might restore it in the polls, but he’s clearly vulnerable. It’s not clear at all that over the course of a long race he’s really a better bet than Hillary would be. At the risk of repeating myself, I think he’s probably easier to beat, but the risk of his somehow winning isn’t worth taking.
Hillary COULD win, but she won’t.
End of story.
IP Freely
Yes, too many unknowns. Obama has gotten a free ride, not because of personal greatness, but how greatly the press hates the Clintons. If she survives, even barely in OH and TX, supers should be questioning the Obama phenomenon. He is a nice guy, probably about 6-8 years behind for the job. Yes, if you’ve been in public life for long enough, like the Clinton duo have, there is a lot of mud to throw around, Obama’s got some of his own in such a short time… Be fair people.
Why the debate? It’s almost statistically impossible for Hillary to get ahead of Obama for delegates. She has to win *every* remaining contest by approximately 58% to 42% … that’s a 16% margin in *every* contest.
The only question left is if Hillary will destroy the party or get our cleanly. If super delegates, or a re-vote in MI or FL, or a lawsuit about the TX caucuses put her over the top – the party will be destroyed.
Right now – a vote for Hillary is like a vote for Nadar. It only helps McCain.
So what if she wins both OH and TX by, say, 5 points. She may gain at most 10 delegates — she will still be down by 90-100 delegates (depending upon whose numbers you use). I think the likely scenario is they split TX and OH. With the amount of money coming into her campaign, she is not likely to quit, no matter what the party elders say. Even if the 2008 electoral math is forbidding, she will be thinking that the longer she stays, the less likely his chances are in November. The money will help for her bid against McCain in 2012. So, expect this one to go at least until PA.
Go Hillary! Win in 2008! Very pissed off at how the press has hijacked this process.
If the Clinton Politicial machine wrenches the nomination from Obama at the convention, no matter how raw the maneuver, with the thinking that the rank and file will have no place to go and will get over it by November . . . as a Libertarian I for one would like to lay witness to THAT little experiment.
I suspect McCain would win in a landslide.
Leona Helmsley was perceived to be the Queen of Mean. Hillary will cement her fate at the convention.
What a ridiculous entry.
Hillary has enjoyed more positive, fawning press than any candidate in modern history. She was practically anointed for two years. Complaining about Obama’s press after he wins 11 contests in a row is the worst kind of whining.
And you know (or should know) that if Hillary had won 11 in a row, the press would be UNRELENTING on Obama to withdraw. Hillary has it so easy, comparatively.
Anyone who considers themselves a democrat or a liberal better hope Hillary loses… if she wins, we will be handing the repubs a Christmas present they couldn’t get for themselves. She will unite the repubs and divide the dems like no one else we could nominate (except Ted Kennedy).
The expectation of what Hillary needs to achieve seems to keep changing. Initially it was WIN BIG,
now it is any kind of win in Texas and Ohio and she has just about wrapped up the nomination because of all the momentum she now has (somehow completely forgeting the 25% or so lead she orginally had over Barack Obama in TX OH right after the Wisconsin primary)!
I think voters are getting sick and tired of being hoodwinked by professional polititians who want to run roughshod over the democratic process.
If the democratic nomination comes down some back room deal, be prepared for another republican president!
The point is moot. There is no way she can win the general election now. If thru some miracle or skullduggery (more likely) Hillary wins the nomination after all that has occured so far, there will be a massive backlash against her and the party in November. I was once a Clinton supporter. However, I would not support her if she was the candidate–especially after seeing the sham of a negative campaign she’s run against Barack. I, and many others, will stay home in November if Hillary Clinton is the nominee.
Bias? Aw c’mon… If HRC was running a competent campaign, had a consistent strategy, hadn’t lost 11 in a row, hadn’t decided to go negative, then she might have a point. But she hasn’t and, therefore she doesn’t.
Any time any organization runs into trouble be it a campaign, a basketball team, a Fortune 500 corporation, or a governmental agency, there are going to be tough questions. And, so far, her reaction is: “You’re not being fair?” Why yes I remember Pelosi and Thatcher saying that a lot too? = |,
If anything, the MSM are being soft on her. Christopher Hitchens on Slate.com pointed out in January that when HRC was first lady she didn’t have a security clearance and so was not participating in discussions over foreign policy. Hitchens also pointed out that when traveling around the world as first lady she was not empowered or authorized to negotiate on behalf of the U.S. When HRC went to China to “fight for human rights” all she did was give a speech.
No one in the MSM has picked these stories up and questioned her on claim of “ready on day one experience”. The MSM has simply taken her campaign’s claim at face value.
Now that’s media bias.
So if she comes baaaaaaaaack do we then get to talk about: those 35 years of experience,
the Rose law firm (thinking about all those little people all of the time); those tax returns that cannot appear until after she wins; how has Bill been making all of that money since leaving office?; who are those contributors to his Presidential Library?; and lastly why does such a
smart woman decide not to read the intelligence report before casting the most important vote
of her career??????? WHO IS THE PRESS NOT COVERING?????
At this point, does it matter who wins? Obama has won 11 in a row, and everyone claims Hillary is still in the race. He could win 15 in a row, and HIllary would remain in the race. Hell, he could win every remaining state by twenty points, and I don’t doubt HIllary, Penn, and her supporters would still claim to have all the momentum.
Thanks HIllary. Your tactics have worked. I’ve now retreated back to my cave of cynicism i’ve lived in the past thirty years. I actually came out for awhile, nudged by Obama, and dared to feel a bit of excitement and hope that things might be different this time. That maybe Americans could work together to improve our situation. But you wisely reminded me not to hope, not to be excited. Using your insightful experience, you’ve taken the refreshing positivity in the race and replaced it with selfishness and spin once more, as it should be. You’ve brought this thing down to your level. By the time Pennsylvania comes, all of the passion and unity and innovation Obama brought out of ordinary Americans will be squashed, and we’ll exhaustedly wave our white flags, and admit you were right all along. Things can’t change. Hope means nothing. Words are empty. Politics as usual are here to stay, and nobody can change that. If anyone dares say otherwise, or boldly tries to carve a new path, you’ll be there to put them in their place.
I apologize for doubting you. I’ll be cynical and apathetic again, as you want me to be.
Obama victory is the press victory. Wake up people! Hillary will be the nominee and will win in November. General election is a different bargain. Against McCain Obama cannot win in Democratic States like New Jersey and Pensylannia; furthermore in States like Ohio and Florida; but Hillary can. It is about electoral college not popular votes… Watch and see… Don’t forget to contact me after November.
How many firewalls is she going to put up? HRC is always complaining about the media; however, no one seems to complain when she keeps moving the goal line. She was supposed to knock him out on Feb 5; she even stated that early in the campaign. On 60 Min she started moving the goal line again by stating “My husband did not get the nomination until Jun”. You would think someone with so much experience would be able to run a better campaign and raise more money. But when you think it’s owed to you, your focus is blurred…you end up feeling like you don have to work hard. And for the “Ready On Day One”…it was HRC who did read the NII and it was HRC who said “I whish I had that vote back”. Any politician, who can’t admit they made a mistake, is the one I don’t want in the WH. Her and her husband will say/do anything to have that power black to include drive a wedge between the Black and Latino communities. That was a calculated decision. She is not a true Statesman, when ever she lost she never gave him Congrats, she went to the next state and act like nothing happen. She must have forgotten these same folks you are ignoring are the same one’s you are going to need later. By the why HRC stop apologizing for your husband, haven’t you done that enough.
was planning vote for hillery but must support local republicans.do believe she more vulnerable.obama is a big windbag but a threat because mccain is too subdued to take on a snake oil salesman.
I’m tired of Obama supporters down playing the success of Hillary Clinton. She has been in the public eye for many years and has continued to be a proven leader. Who are these people who support an oppurtunistic politican with no proven record, misleading agendas, and just a good talker. I don’t want a democratic George Bush! I don’t want Barack Obama!!!
Thanks, Julie, for pointing out that Hillary’s not been called out by the press — at least not until her weak reply in the Ohio debate — say, about her failure to disclose tax returns, release White House papers or her husband’s shady deals. And she’s got twenty Tony Rezkos in her past.
The key idiocy of this “analysis” is that Obama’s failure to win big in state’s he was getting crushed in only two weeks ago after 11th hour false attacks shows he “can’t take a punch”. Remember New Hampshire and the press’ vow not to read too much into one or two days of polling? Yes, in two big states you can juice numbers by going negative in the last few days before the election. But in the post-election hangover, everyone realizes that the attacks are Rovian fear-mongering and that not going sleazy is maybe more presidential behavior. The hangover will persist when he kicks butt again in Wyoming and Mississippi.
And the fact will remain that he will have won 11 contests in a row by a minimum of 17 percentage points, and she with her sleaze will have won two (if she does at all) only by a whisker — and will gain almost nothing in delegates. The spin of “she’s back” will soon be overwhelmed by the drumbeat of — she’s outta time to catch up.
Here’s a sports analogy on why Hillary’s spin doesn’t fly that a small win now makes this closer. This is like entering the 4th quarter of the game, and Team A is up 42-21. Now, if Team B outscores Team A over the next 14 minutes by 10-7, the score is still 49-31 in favor of Team A entering the last minute. Sure, it is a little bit closer, but the odds on Team A checking up are now almost gone because the game is that much closer to being over.
BBaptiste:
Way to pull out the “skullduggery” line. Love it.
All you dems who are now complaining about the clintonian machine are hilarious. Try walking eight years (93 – 00) in a conservative’s shoes before you whine. It was a period of true darkness.
My fear, if this goes on much longer the rancor will have risen to such a level from both the Clinton and Obama supporters as to be unreconcilable. Clinton supporters will claim the press did her in. They will fail to admit her campaign had no plan after Super Tuesday. The Obama supporters will claim she did it through dirty tricks and Rovian style campaigning. They will fail to see that maybe his message just didn’t have the power that they wanted with some voters. Somebody has to loose and no matter who it is the other side will need to figure out a way to come to grips with it. Should they not, you can be sure of four more years of failed international diplomacy, a failing economy and the US getting that much closer to be written about in the history books as that once great and powerful nation.
Hillary can no longer win the nomination. It’s the maths stupid.
Hillary Clinton deserves to lose.
She entered his contest with EVERY conceivable advantage.
She has run one of the worst organized, incoherent campaigns in history. A pro labor campaign run by a major union buster, Mark Penn.
“Ready from day one” but “just getting warmed up.”
Forfeits every contest after Super Tuesday but before March 4.
A joke.
It will be suicide for the Democrats to nominate a candidate who is this disorganized and incoherent.
If Obama were down by 11, would the Dem Leadership consider seating Florida and Michigan at this late date?
The fix is in.
As a kid I used to love it when my favorite team (White-sox) would start a rookie pitcher for the very first time. The drama! The excitement! Each and every time I would be anticipating the Second Coming of Sandy Koufax or Bob Gibson. The newness and unknown factor was a drug for my youthful imagination. I must have watched at least 50 first time starts in my younger days. Sadly, only 1 time did a pitcher make a memorable start. (Brit Burns)
Americans yearning for Presidential greatness is nothing new. Such wistful desires helped establish a wave of enthusiasm known as “the phenom” Fernando Valenzuela.
However, most known players in any game or other ventures are less than inspiring. In fact, they are usually down right mediocre. But our imagination keeps running strong and we keep anticipating the day when some new player surprises us and actually meets or exceeds our unrealistic expectations.
I sense that this is what is happening now in this race. Obama is that unknown rookie. He has had a terrific minor league career and is now moving into the big leagues. Our imaginations run wild as we dream that he just might perhaps be the next Bob Gibson (or J.F.K.) We fantasize that he will meet the standard of our expectations.
But in point of fact, the rookies in my youth rarely translated their potential into anything more than becoming just another run of the mill ok’sh pitcher.
Can Obama become that rare rookie exception? I doubt it. In fact, the stats show that known qualities normally perform better than unknowns do. This is the nature of unrealistic dreams.
But I gotta admit, I do understand the euphoric responses that voters have with Obama. After all, Obama has no previous record that causes us to lower our expectations. So in a sense Obama is just a blank page that mirrors our collective hope and dreams for a better America. Who knows? Maybe Obama will be that 1 in a thousand Fernando Valenzuela.
“Thanks, Julie, for pointing out that Hillary’s not been called out by the press — at least not until her weak reply in the Ohio debate — say, about her failure to disclose tax returns, release White House papers or her husband’s shady deals. And she’s got twenty Tony Rezkos in her past.”
Thank you, UrsaM, for pointing out exactly what I was thinking while reading this “opinion piece.” Last I studied in journalism ethics 101, opinion also requires being “informed,” while trying to make your point. Ms. Rubin’s article is seemingly an attempt to get comments because of its alarming amount of omission. At least at that, she’s successful.
It doesn’t matter if Hillary wins or loses, neither she nor Obama can take McCain in the general election. McCain actually stacks up better with Obama because the contrast between the two on so many issues is so much starker than between McCain and Hillary.
Sunday, Hillary said McCain was more qualified to answer the so-called 3am call in the White than her fellow Dem, Obama….So this is how far things have come in this campaign? Democrats will punish her for such desperate tactics this Tuesday.
Today, I saw one of the saddest spectacles of this campaign: I saw a decent man called Lenny Davis make a complete mess of himself, bristling at suggestions that Hillary should leave the stage after Tuesday but unable to show good cause why she should continue….The Hillary crowd is looking extremely angry these days…their bloated egos in shambles.
I’m wondering…If Hillary somehow manages to win the presidency in November, will she move the furniture that she stole back in 2000, back into the White House?
Before Obama started campaigning in Texas and Ohio, all the pundits said that Hillary would need to win by very large percentages in order to stay in the race. It seems that the bar has now been seriously lowered to winning by a slim margin or even to winning just one state. Yes, the press is now focusing on him, but if Clinton does prevail perhaps they might start asking her more about her income taxes, her White House papers, and her lobbyist support.
On Wednesday, March 5, 2008, the morning headlines will read: “HILLARY, THE NEW COMEBACK KID”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
are you high?
clinton will still have to qill c lose to 70% of all of the remaining delegates in order to just surpass obama while still not winning the magic 2,025 delegates to win the nomination.
also there is mississippi this saturday and wyoming next tuesday.
then obama gets 5 weeks from then to campaign.
get this into your thick head HILLARY IS GOING TO LOSE. because she and girls like you alike are more concerned about making history than fixing Americas problems.
except for old white girls and uneducated mexicans, everyone in this country hates hillary.
wake up girl, this thing is over.
simply ridiculous to support a man that gets offended when his middle name is mentioned.
despite his speeches sounding like dr. king jr., he’s really more ideologically like malcolm x. anyone need a bean pie?
In response to #31
“If Obama were down by 11, would the Dem Leadership consider seating Florida and Michigan at this late date?”
“The fix is in.”
I think the question that should be asked is: If Obama were a white man running on the same message would he be where he is today? I DON”T THINK SO!!!
I am so sick and tired of hearing he is gonna bring change to this country, what kind of change will he bring, can you honestly answer that? Because I have heard the speeches but what I don’t hear from him is how he will implement all that talk. That is why if Hillary Clinton does not get the nomination, I a latina and hardcore democrat will vote Republican for the very first time, and I know plenty of more people that will do the same.
Obama just doesn’t cut it and I truly believe that people are so desperate for change that they are voting for this man, I just hope that they realize soon that by supporting him they will be opening up this country for more blows and failure. This is truly a sad time in our nation. Stop drinking the kool-aid America.
A cottage industry now exists in some segments of the political right and this industry seeks to denigrate the record and beliefs of true American patriots. I think anyone who attends an Obama rally, listens to an Obama talk or just plain visits his website can see this man, a US senator no less, is in love with America and that patriotism has propelled him to get into this race.
Shame on you, Commentary. Shame on you and everyone else who seeks to lower this race to the level of counting how many times a candidate has worn a US flag lapel on their suit. When did we stop measuring the level of a man’s patriotism by his relevant and thoughtful involvement in the public discourse and substitute that for high school prom king politicking? I expect better of Washington and the media and I think they should expect more from their constituents and readers.
Gotta love the Obama freaks who claim Hillary won’t have the delegates. Newsflash: NEITHER WILL HE! So, if we’re going to go by “the rules”, unless and until someone gets to 2025 delegates, this race goes on, PERIOD. So quit your whining. There will be NO coronation of Nobama. He’s got to earn it. I don’t want to hear a peep about “if he’s got more delegates blah blah blah”. 2025 is what it takes. Nothing more, nothing less. End of discussion.
In response to #41: I know how you feel. If Hillary loses the popular vote, or wins with votes from Florida and Michigan WHERE SHE WAS THE ONLY PERSON ON THE BALLOT, this diehard Dem will vote for a Republican, and I’ve got news for you, so will a hell of a lot of people, guaranteeing McCain victory. Hillary had a political silver spoon in her mouth, she would never be where she is without Bill, had every institutional and money advantage, AND IS IN THIS SHAPE NOW? What does that say about the people she picked to run an organization? What kind of judgement was it to let Bill run wild in SC? But that’s fine, if the fix is in (and I can’t think of any feasible way she could win without a non-democratic method) the democratic party will collapse this year and reboot.
I have been a stout republican for all of my life. This is the first election that I have deceided to vote for a Democrat. That person would be Obama. There is not a lot of talk about what he has achieved. Look it up. The reason he is doing so well is his message. He motivates people to come together. He is bringing in voters from all parties. If Hillary manages to obtain the nomination, I will gladly vote republican once again. This is not a knock about what she stands for. She is a very intelligent woman. She is also a very polarizing figure. I listen to her debates and speeches. She is very adversarial. She attacks when she needs to befriend. I trully believe that if she wins this nomination, that it will destroy a movement that has motivated a vast number of young voters to be active in the political arena.
HRC is a better woman than I am. I would have been beat down by now with the press and constantly loosing-but yet she goes on. Maybe because she’s older. I’m for her none the less. An African American and an independent. According to the press I should be for Obama. But I’m a teacher and know a latte liberal, who is only concerned with his own ambitions when I see one.
Just a quick note to you Obama cultists…The media is bias, VERY BIAS towards Obama. The entire country sees it BUT you. My goodness, if Fox News is defending Clinton on this, you know something is up because they don’t like that family at all!
If you don’t see the media as being bias…you are a cultist, a worshiper, a kool-aid drinker.
As a person that voted for Obama…I find you people embarassing. You are quite a turn off and I do not like being associated with you. You are starting to have the Ron Paul effect on other voters. Your insantity is turning us off of Obama.
Obama supporters need to stop whinig. They think that the nomination is their right. If Obama does not get 2025 delegates why should he get the nomination either? HRC should go all the way to Denver. Who knows what other skeletons Obama has in his closet? It has just started coming out and it really stinks.
ShannonL – honey, it’s BIASED. I bias, you he she it we they ARE BIASED. Hope that’s helpful.
J
If Obama had lost 11 straight primaries by at least 17 points, the media and the DNC would be constantly demanding he quit the race. HRC has gotten a free pass to compete tomorrow. And she will still lose.
If she can’t properly plan a presidential campaign — such as planning for post-Super Tuesday states — what makes anyone think she can run the United States?
Trying to seat the Florida and Michigan delegates is trying to steal the nomination, pure and simple.
This is simple for myself, a life-long Democrat, and many others of the same political persuasion I know: we will vote for Obama if he is the nominee, if it is HRC, then we will abstain. McCain is a poor choice and does not warrant a vote either. Sorry DNC, no Yellow Dog this time.
THIS WILL BE QUITE A SHOW……….NEITHER SHOULD DROP OUT….FLORIDA AS A DO OVER WOULD BE A RAUCUS EVENT..
Obama lied to us.
There is NOTHING, and I REPEAT NOTHING can change these upcoming facts. Despite Obama’s antiwar rhetoric and image, he has voted along for $300 billion in war FUNDING when he entered the US Senate in 2005.
n addition, Senator Obama contributed more political efforts by voting in favor of the 2006 version of the Patriot Act.
Before entering the US Senate, Obama contributed to our gullible fellow Americans his Anti-War speech. However, after he entered US Senate, he fooled us. HE FOOLED YOU. When Senator Obama had a chance to turn his anti-war speech into action, Senator Obama VOTED EXACTLY how Senator Clinton did on the issue of Iraq War.
ABC news stated, “In fact, Obama’s Senate voting record on Iraq is identical to Clinton’s. Over the two years Obama has been in the Senate, the only Iraq-related vote on which they differed was the confirmation earlier this year of General George Casey to be Chief of Staff of the Army, which Obama voted for and Clinton voted against”.
Before anyone directs hate towards Senator Hillary for what she voted on; well, WAKE UP cause YOUR prefer presidential nominee DID THE SAME. Obama IS insincere on his stance on the war. Why would you vote for someone like that? Someone that fooled you and me. Take care.
Keep going on Hillary.
I am a voter who made an informed, and yes biased towards a better America, vote for Barack Obama. I have not just simply jumped on a bandwagon to oblivion, I am confident in my decision, and look beyond all the attempts to scare people into doing things out of desperation that so many American’s have become complacent with. I don’t know if the “kool-aid” drinker comment has a racial undertone to it or not, but in any event this kind of name calling is not what we should be focusing on, its the future of this great nation and our future that we should be trying discuss.
I’m a diehard Obama voter, but now is the time for him to step up to the plate and take down Hillary with everything he has. Stop with the gentleman rhetoric and throw all of the Clinton dirt right back at her. You have soo much to work with. Hillary is a thief which is why she won’t release those tax records. I’m a shame that voters overlook character when selecting a president. Obama, GO NEGATIVE!!! I live in Dallas, Texas and she has definitely regained a lot of momentum. A lot of Republicans are coming out to vote in the dem race, so it’s a real toss up. I need to see Obama on the offensive and show that he is willing to do whatever it takes to win this. It’s nice to be all moral and everything, but this is still the game of politics. You have to hit back…HARD!!!! Don’t hold back because she is a woman, she has stated over and over that she can take it. The media was sure to turn on him because they build up a candidate to tear him down, that’s what they do. I think that Obama has slipped and become over confident because of the delegate lead, but you CAN NOT underestimate the Clintons. They play dirty to win and it works. So, remind America who the Clintons really are.
It is truly the funniest thing to hear Democrats complain about media bias; Republicans have been up against it for years upon years. In the last few years they finely got some fair coverage out of Fox and the Wall Street Journal. They don’t call CNN the “Clinton News Network” for nothing!
Yes, Hillary’s pandering to every conceivable group has kept her close in the currently contested states. However, she led by huge margins in these states before someone actually dared run against her. Mccain just looks better and better all the time.
Hillary had 10-20% leads in the polls two weaks ago and somehow, by winning narrowly in either Ohio and Texas, you claim she’ll “be back.” Yes, she’ll be back staring a + 150 delegate deficit in the face.
The Clinton campaign stated several times, just earlier last month, that she will regain the delegate lead or be within striking distance after the March 4th primaries. Barring some implosion on Obama’s part (not likely) she won’t be within striking distance tomorrow nor throughout the rest of the 10 remaining primaries. But tomorrow, they will once again move the goal posts, talk about Pennslyvania (her early lead will erode there once Obama is given a chance to campaign there); agonizingly bring up the uncontested races in Michigan and Florida, and do everything they can to change the rules as they see fit and convenient.
That 160 delegate deficit posits a cold hard numerical truth – she cannot pull out this nomination, at least not fairly.
Good to see a bit of gloss coming off the wonderboy. Another couple of days and Clinton would have the momentum to win both Texas and Ohio. She should stay in the race even if she loses Texas. A re-vote in Florida would have her back in the game.
To every complex problem there is a simple wrong answer, but in politics if you give complex answers you LOSE, because you are seen as being evasive.
Barack Obama is a charismatic leader, an inspirational speaker and a concensus polititian.
He has run a truly amazing campaign, and Hillary Clinton has had to play catch up with a candidate who has started from behind in virtually every contest.
The Clinton campaign took Obama too lightly, through arrogance or whatever and now they are backed in a corner with no winning strategy the presidency!
If they were playing chess, they would push their King over to prevent boring the audience too much.
I am an Independent. I think the Dem nomination is going to come down to MI & FL. I think there is going to be a big problem with MI & FL delegates. I have respect for both Obama and Clinton. I also like McCain. I truly believe that the Florida vote and delegates should stand. Every candidates name was on the ballot including Clinton, Obama and Edwards in Florida.
The agreement was that there would be no campaigning in FL by all the candidates. All of them abided by that. Hillary only went to FL after the polls closed. Almost 2 million Democrats went to the polls despite the fact that no candidates campaigned there. Whatever the outcome was to be, 2 million votes were cast and therefore since those 2 million could vote for any candidate they wished, there is nothing unfair about their vote or the access to support their candidate and the vote should stand.
In MI, the names of Obama and Edwards were not on the ballot. Their supporters did not have the right to vote for them and their right to express their support so I feel MI should revote.
Clinton was the only major candidate that was on the ballot, therefore Obama and Edwards supporters were denied their constitutional right to vote for their candidate.
As an Independent who is leaning to Mc Cain, I can tell you that if you tell 2 million voters in FL their vote was worthless, then dust your shoes off for a McCain inauguration. The Dems must have FL to win. You won’t win TX and therefore you must win FL. McCain is already beginning to show what the general election is going to be with Obama. His experience versus Obama’s inexperience. I like to know that I have an experienced person in the White House. If I were to be needing major heart surgery, I will go with the heart surgeon that has experience rather than the doctor who hasn;t really even completed his residency yet. Be real, that is what we all would do if we were to make a sound and best judgement for ourselves.
For all you Obamaniacs claiming you will stay home if Clinton is the nominee, guess what, there are just as many (if not more) of us that will stay home or vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee! So, save yourself the embarrassment.
Someone has figured out our little secret. Many people who are now rooting and voting for Hillary will end up voting for McCain in November when Obama becomes the inevitable nominee.
Never fear, Hillary’s supporters will not run riots in Denver if she loses. Only Obama’s supporters would do something like that.
The only person who will benefit from the battle royal between Hillary and Obama is, you guesssed it, John McCain.
The comment from #54 above is instructive because it highlights what awaits those who decide not to vote for Obama. They’ll be called racists. But you Obama lovers who are drinking the Kool-Aid better realize that screaming “racist!” just might not be enough to make people vote for your guy. It is truly hard to blame racism on the fact that Obama has virtually no governing experience and most especially, no track record whatsoever at bringing people together on important issues.
Notice I used the words “important issues.” Obama supporters can run their mouths talking about how Obama worked with Republicans on minor issues but nothing major. Hillary has more of a track record in the Senate for consensus building than Obama who is full of fluff and hot air.
Hillary 08. Better bolder brighter all the way. She can do it. Now the Press — brain dead for weeks — is reporting on Obama’s pandering, lackluster record in the Illinois state legislature, corrupt real estate deals, backtalk on NAFTA, etc etc etc. People want to believe he’s a messiah but he is not. He’s a politico like the rest of them, only not as smart or experienced. Go Hillary
“Barring some implosion on Obama’s part” has happened. Obama has been caught with his “hand in the cookie jar” so to speak in reference to his attacks on Clinton regarding her NAFTA position, only to find out that he’s playing “politics as usual” and “will do anything to get elected” by saying one thing, but promising another.
As a republican I hope Obama does win the nomination because in just the last week it’s become SO clear that he won’t be able to stand up against the onslaught of questions for answers that he will be subjected to in a general election campaign. The Republicans will tear him apart where as with Clinton, her “dirty laundry” has been out there for all to see throughout the primary and she would make a tougher target for the Republicans.
This is hilarious – a Democrat brawl spilling over from the next door saloon into the quiet coffee shop at the CONTENTIONS bookstore. Hide the silverware!
I am a realist. If Clinton does not win by at least 15% in Texas and Ohio then she should suspend her campaign for the good of the party. Simple mathematics dictate the terms of this contest and the chances of Clinton winning back the popular and delegate lead is slim to none.
If I were not a realist I would declare that there is still a chance. Maybe she could win the remaining primaries by margins of 15% or more and shock everyone with the biggest political comeback in the history of American politics. BUT…
That would still result in a tie. The nomination would go to the convention and the risk of dividing the party is great. John McCain will take advantage and scoop up independent votes, while newer voters and young people, not to mentions millions of women and African Americans will be left feeling disenfranchised.
Get real…
The “change” mantra he keeps repeating is meaningless. He can’t just pull out of Iraq without having Al Qaida crowing about how they defeated the great Satan. The bloodbath would he horrible if we pull out too soon and repeating “Bush should never had got us into that war” will not make the resulting ethnic cleansing better. We have a chance to win now which must be fought for so we are safer and the young people who have already given their lives will not have died for nothing. I have two kids in the military now and I would love to see them and others like them in a peace-time military but they are all volunteers and the mission is too important.
I agree with many other I’ve seen posting. I’m a Hillary or McCain supporter, not Obama. I haven’t voted for a republican since 1988, but will if Obama is the lefties nominee.
Hey Mr. MacLeod, I agree with your sentiment completely. What happened to our sedate little coffee klatch? Pretty soon Contentions will resemble Spengler’s Forum on Asia Times, except without the picture of the skull (we have culture, or so we like to think)
Should Hillary Clinton win the democratic nomination I will vote for John McCain
There is no way on earth this lieing deceitful suspect human being should ever be president of the United States. She is as well as her husband are liars and power hungry scammers who only want to exert their reign over the people of America. I feel that anyone who votes for Hillary Clinton would either have to be slightly retarded or mentally blind.
I will never vote democratic again if she is the nominee
Umm explain to me how Hillary has more experience? She FAILED MISERABLY to instate health care as first lady, and now she gets major donations from the health care companies. To all you whistle-blowing ingorants who shout REZKO REZKO, it was a mistake, he admitted it, and everyone else in America is past it. I think that mistake was slightly less detrimental than the decision to invade Iraq, no? “ooo but he only made a speech about it, look he’s even voted like me since he joined the senate” Despite the fact that he has in fact authored MORE bills in the senate than Hillary has in the last 6 years (look this stuff up people before you believe her campaign’s dogma of “hot air”), he made that speech during a long-shot come from behind senate race, where going against powerful democrats, such as senator Clinton, was risky. Once he got to the senate, yeah he voted like Hillary. What is that a bad thing? Was he supposed to oppose the way she went about trying to fix her mistake? I mean think about it, it’s not how we go about cleaning it up (which they agreed on) its the initial decision that matters. And since all of you are on the internet I’ll assume you are against warrantless wiretapping, correct? Well, Hillary’s campaign often points out his not holding any NATO hearings about Afgahnistan, but really that was because he was too busy on his campaign trail, but to counter that, he manage the couple of hours needed to get to Washington and vote AGAINST telecomm immunity, a vote that Hillary DIDN’T EVEN ATTEND.
We’re not calling you racist we are calling you ignorant cowards
You are closed minded to change
You don’t like the “new”
You whine when the media doesn’t portray your candidate as the superior even though you clearly disagree
You make rediculous headlines about him not wearing a flag pin and not putting his hand over his heart during the NATIONAL ANTHEM NOT THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE (a real american would observe the difference and thusly the difference in code)
You have sometimes displayed racist intent by blaming everyone else (“Is America ready for a black president? I don’t think so) etc
Grow up people. We don’t need a better George Bush. We need someone who will garner respect around the world (he is more popular most places around the world, and mostly in Europe because he is in fact more Liberal even though he gets the independent vote) and turn this spiraling country around. We can’t afford to have any more mistakes, or to not talk with other nations. Ignoring them doesn’t make them go away.
OBAMA ’08 YES WE CAN
I saw a post today that she is actually leading in the NATIONAL poll right now:
http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
Both now trial McCain, but Hillary actually ha sa better chance:
“Looking to the general election, John McCain has a slight lead over both Democrats. McCain now leads Obama 47% to 42% and Clinton 47% to 44% (see recent daily results). “
If she wins Texas and Ohio, it will be a slap in the face of all the rabid members of the press and media. They were salivating after she lost Iowa and when she pulled out her win in NH, defying polls they(press) looked as if their best friend had just died. Hillary has more than proven to voters she is TENACIOUS and a great FIGHTER not to mention her qualifications to be our next President, dwarf Obamas slender record and experience. I was undecided until NH when Obama played the race card against the Clintons. He sent out a memorandum to go after Hillary for disrepecting MLK after her comment which was an Historical fact concerning it took LBJ to sign civil rights bill that MLK had spent his life advancing. Remember, he had everything to gain by playing race card just before SC to take the black votes away from her, and as we all know it worked. Anyone that is lucid knows the Clintons are NOT racists and this absurd accusation, also fueled by press was the turning point for me to take off my rose colored glasses concerning Obama, and to place my full support behind Hillary. She will surprise many but most of all I hope she makes the press look like the biased fools they are!
I guess that if Hillary fails to win the nomination and John McCain wins we will have an army of occupation in Iraq indefinately and the resulting booming economy. Of course falling house prices, a dollar on a parity with the Italian Lira and an unemployment rate that will make those careers in the military look especially attractive for the poor. However unless they come back unscathed physically or emotionally they can hardly expect the 4 star treatment than the current administration has laid on for their welfare, there obviously won’t be the funding available!
the press are not biased you are biased
we dont like the press either
its not a compromise unless both sides are unhappy
and shes quite the fighter alright, so much so that democrats abandoned her during her wild attempt at national health care during her “experience years”
and Peter, i suggest you look at the more accurate RCP average… it combines all the most recent polls
Even if Hillary wins Ohio and Texas, Obama has a few firewalls of his own. They are: Wyoming, Mississippi, North Carolina, Oregon, Montana and South Dakota. We will see if Hillary gives these states any credence, or are they automatically irrelevant because she cannit compete in these places.
Obama has shown some negatives, no doubt. The problem is the country cannot afford Clinton. Her generation doesn’t understand the degree to which feminists have successfully harmed men. Anyone with a male child, cannot wish to send him through the male bashing, psychologically scarring feminism. By the 1980′s public school teachers were teaching boys they were rapists, aggressive…school boys reported wanting to cut their own genitalia off.
And look, boys aren’t doing as well as girls in school anymore, droppoing out of high school, not graduating college, and its systematic….at my own local elementary school, one look at the honrary ‘safety patrol’…shows 100% girl membership..this is in the 4th grade folks, and this is not an all girls school.
The all female staff of the school doesn’t see any problem. But the actual results show the problem.
Hillary Clinton, is of a generation that cannot reach out to men, cannot see the problems in teaching boys… all she sees are more opportunity to stretch gender gaps….she loves running up gender gaps in her own campaign, and has promised to do more as president.
Thought 60% of incoming college students are female already, she has promised to look at areas, like engineering, where boys still do well, and to eliminate that advantage for boys…and the end result…70% female college students, 80%… and you cannot look at any degree dominated by women, because of the old feminist double standards, where you cannot fault women for their successes….only men.
Younger feminists are more likely to be about equality, than revenge. This country cannot afford to grant Ms. Clinton the presidency as a gift for her service. Radical Feminists, perhaps once needed to combat radical male chauvinism, have outlived their usefulness. In this day and age, they cause far more harm than good.
We need to turn the page on that generation…we need balanced people who seek out equality. We don’t need another generation of ‘tweaked’ boys to graduate, scarred, turned off on academics…from our public schools.
Do you really think the Republicans want Clinton to be the nominee? A strategist is not going to reveal true motives of the party. Obama is easier for the Republicans to campaign against where he wants to exit Iraq without a strategy. Clinton’s stance on the war, voting for the war with an understanding of cursive diplomacy, that the President has to have the stick, this is not unlike a police officer having grounds to arrest. It does not mean that they should make an unlawful arrest but they must have the grounds to act when the situation arises. Clinton wants to leave Iraq without imposing a date so a plan can take into consideration political realities in the area and be coordinated with events on the ground. Obama wants to impose a deadline and exit regardless, which one would you rather run against if you were in support of the war? This is not rocket science. The Republicans while have baggage are going to have a hard time separating themselves from Clinton.
All the talk pertaining to the failure of the Bush Presidency, I can’t understand why there is no question of responsibility placed on the American voter. The fact that Bush was going to take America and the world in the opposite direction of the previous administration was clear prior to his first election. The Clinton years were great years for the world and American, you don’t go in the opposite direction, and you tweak and hope to make things better. There is no talk of responsibility because the media played a fundamental role in the election of George Bush at great cost to America and the world. Now you have another chance to get it right and the media is again leading votes in all the wrong directions. From the start of this election it’s been clear that Clinton is the candidate with the answers. If you want change there are 300 million different faces to put in the White House. If you want a different direction you’re first going to have to travel the road back to where you were when Bush took over. A bad administration can do more harm in eight years then a constructive administration. Give your heads a shake and pick someone who can get you back to where you were. The reality is that events are going to get worst because of the Bush government and it will take someone who knows the way to return America to its former standing. Change of direction is not a new face it’s policy different then the current administration.
Y no to Obama
Barack says Oprah will be his VP candiate.
He says his healthcare plan is better, because Kennedy said so and he says his health care plan will reduce cost because experts says so. So what does he think? I am not sure if he fully understands what he says or is serious about the same.
He says his NAFTA rhetoric is political positioning.
He says he will carry with programs thats costs billions of dollars, but cannot find time to tell how he is going to fund that.
He takes credit for being opposed to war in Iraq, but the fact is he was not in the Senate during the voting and if he was at the senate, he would have certainly voted for the war because, he didnt want to look weak.
Finally, his wife ways she didnt like America, until recently(Obama became frontrunner). HOw could one vote to make such a person a First lady.
It is quite ironic that Democrats support a candidate that handles herself so much like George Bush. One, she blames the liberal media for bias, which has lead to her downfall. Second. she refuses to admit any mistakes. Her vote on Iraq for instance, she always blames this administration for “rushing into Iraq” when she gave them the authority AND voted against the amendment to require the inspectors to be able to do their job. Even when she stated in the last debate that she wished she had her vote back, she qualified it by saying that if she would have been president, she would not have rushed to war. Third, she is constantly using the same attack techniques that are utilized by Republicans. The bending of the truth and out right lies have been evident recently. But too many people take the view that their person should win at all cost, so matter the means. And last, she is extremely secretive, (take her not disclosing her tax returns when all the other candidates have) and (not disclosing the documents from the Clinton administration when she attempts to take credit for the legislation during those years.) I am a true blue Democrat but I do not subscribe to the view that the end justifies the means. I do not want a nominee who operates exactly like a George Bush Republican just with different platforms. Its ironic that others do not see this when it is one of our own.
I like McCain. I would have probably voted for him over Kerry in 04, but would not vote for him against either Clinton or Obama.
I think Clinton would b e a wonderful president, but I think Obama has more strategic thinking, versus just tactical thinking.
I voted for Obama on 2/12. Made my mind up on the 11th, after watching the 1/2 hour interviews on DC channel 7. When asked about Obama being ranked the most liberal senator Clinton said “that is a republican talking point”. Obama said “that is an old liable.
I liked his style, and the potential ability to reframe discussions in DC.
As far as if the media was or is fair. Bottom line is you cannot change history, only learn by it.
the media is harsh on Obama but Obama is complaining about it. Obama has been very careful and Media always bring out rumour about him and I have never seen any rumour against Hillary only if the rumour backfire does media bring it out. A day b/4 any primary there is always a rumour against Obama and yet when he wins the media will tell us why Hillary lost and then criticize her. Before the Election the heat is on Obama and after she loses the heat will turn on her. The media cannot fool continue to fool us. Today it is NAFTA and Canada, Rezko and Obama and after she loses tommorow then the heat will come to her after she loses. It will stop later and 1 week b/4 pennsilvania Obama cases will come up. The media has been able to tell us the contrary
OBAMA WOULD VOTE FOR HILLARY!
I think very highly of Hillary. I admire her. I think she’s one of the most disciplined strong dedicated people I know. She’s one of the toughest. She’s got an extraordinary intelligence, and outstanding public service record, she’s somebody who’s in this stuff for the right reasons and no doubt would make an excellent “President of the United Sates”. She’s passionate about moving the country forward especially on issues like economy, health care and children. “Barack Obama “
“Madame President of the United States…it’s an extraordinary thought. We truly are in a momentous time, where a woman’s potential has no limitations. “Hillary Clinton has already proven to a generation of women that there are no limits for success. She is driven by her passion for public service and her belief in the enormous potential of our country. Smart, capable and strong in her convictions, Hillary has transcended the dictates of what is thought to be possible for our time.
“Hillary is a powerful voice for change as we find our country at an important crossroads. Under her leadership, our country will regain its respect within the global community. She will prioritize issues of global climate change, universal health care and rebuilding a strong economy. After 8 long years, the public will once again have faith in their government.
The reason she wants her vote back is beacue she is now aware of how Bush responded to the situation. You can’t take powers of arrest way from all police officers because of what a few officers did during the Kings incident. The President having the authority to go to war and making the decision to go are two entirely different issues. Are you saying that Obama will never want to use the authority of the presidency as Coercive diplomacy? If issues in the cold war went unchecked things could have been much worst for the world over the last 60 years. Much of what kept us out of major world wars was based on coercive diplomacy.
In additon, if you look at the present delegate count in any objective manner, their is NO way she can make the gap close, even if she wins all of the states tomorrow. He is ahead in pledged delegates by 155. Though it may not sound like such a substantial lead, in reality it is in the context of the way the delegates are proportioned. Say she wins tomorrow in Ohio and Texas by 7 points, she will only gain 20 delegates at most. The superdelegates are not going to rush to her camp in the amounts to overturn what will at least be a 100 delegate lead come convention time (and that is an extreme worst case scenario). So lets just be objective and state the fact that she cannot mathematically win. Lets stop all of this “She’s back if she wins Texas and Ohio” and end this. If the tables were turned, there would be overbearing pressure for Obama to concede, ME INCLUDED.
If you wanna talk about feeling disenfranchised, Brian in Seattle, let’s talk about Florida. There was a record turn out here and the vote should count. All nominees were on the ballot and Florida is too important in the General election for the democrats to not agree on this. If you don’t count the votes from the record number of democrats that came out to vote, you may as well hand Florida to McCain in November.
The media is harsh on Obama but Obama is not complaining about it. Obama has been very careful and Media always bring out rumour about him and I have never seen any rumour against Hillary only if the rumour backfires does media bring it out. A day b/4 any primary there is always a rumour against Obama and yet when he wins the media will tell us why Hillary lost and then criticize her. Before the Election the heat is on Obama and after she loses the heat will turn on her. The media cannot continue to fool us. Today it is NAFTA and Canada, Rezko and Obama and after she loses tommorow then the heat will come to her and they start to blame her and tell us the press is good for Obama. 1 week b/4 pennsilvania Obama cases will come up again and it may or may not work . In wisconsin it was Obama said this and that and that the wife is not proud of America and Obama plagiarism 1 day b/4 election. I will tell the media that we vote Obama b/c we do not trust media. We change our mind to vote him once they start to attack him through unfounded rumour. We are rebelling against the media for helping the Republicans get into office and this will happen this year. The media has been able to tell us the contrary
Look this argument that she was voting to give the President the ability to look tough without going to war is inauthentic. Go back 5 years and watch the news casts. Everyone new what that vote was. It was a vote for war. How often in the past has the congress voted to give the authorization for war and the president not used it? The point I am trying to make is that it is not the case that the war was just waged badly (though it certainly was) but the mindset of nation building and planting democracies around the world is flawed. Hillary Clinton needs to take full credit for her vote for war and not try to use the same old convoluted argument, in an attempt to not take responsibility for her actions. I would have more respect for her if, like almost all other Democrats who did vote for the war did, she just admitted that she and she alone was wrong.
Careful analysis of trends suggests that BO peaked about February 25th. Some momentum in Texas took a few days to pass through, but today’s results indicate likely wins for Clinton in both Ohio and Texas. With Rhode Island to boot, she will be back on top of the momentum hysteria and almost certain to win Pennsylvania, probably North Carolina, and most of the remaining smaller states. It is very likely to be a Clinton-Obama ticket. She with “calm” experience, he with rabble-rousing, symbolic speeches. McCain will win by 5 points.
sickntiredofObama #41, I call your bluff. If you think John McCain, he of the 100 year plan for Iraq, is better for America than Barack Obama, then by all means go vote for him. You deserve the government you get.
Your commitment to Hillary Clinton, a person with absolutely no legislative accomplishment of her own, is clearly based on nothing more than gender affiliation. Hillary was for the war (and didn’t read the NIE), Hillary was for the bankruptcy bill that made life worse for the middle classs, Hillary was for NAFTA before she wanted to take a “time out” on trade, Hillary was for criminalizing flag burning, and Hillary was a tangential part of a White House that was mired in scandals for 8 years during which time Democrats lost their majorities in the House and Senate, and lost legislative and governor seats at the state level.
Yeah, that’s a record to be proud of, and combined with her stellar handling of her campaign, I can see why you think she’s “ready to lead on day one.” Talk about a fairy tale….
We Conservative Republicans really do want Hillary to win out on Super Tuesday 2.0!
If she is able to keep the argument alive that her campaign is NOT on the rocks … this will give the Democrat Party friction and consternation.
It is a little like taking a stick and shoving through the spokes of a bicycle traveling at speed!
Coooooooooool.
Hillary is ahead in Ohio and will win Texas as more people are finding out who obama really is…. He is just a talk.. nothing else…
go Hillary…
WHo is Charlie Crist trying to help? Easy answer-John McCain…by enabling the Dem intra-party bloodletting and therefore buying time for McCain to get his general election act together…
There is virtually no major difference between Obama and Clinton on there present stance on the issues, so for anyone to say that they are voting for one or the other based or their current stances cannot be true. So the decision must be made based on what one believes they would do pertaining to future conflicts and also, who would best implement the changes they both seek. On the first question you must look at past decisions, the Iraq war being the major one. Here, for most all democrats, Obama was correct in his decision and Clinton was not. This gives insight in the mind and decision making skills of each, which can be extrapolated to the future. On the second question, you have to look at governing styles and how effective they will be. I believe Obama’s ability to be cordial but also hold his ground when needed, will be better suited than Clinton’s past, divisive governing style. He could bring a “working majority” to Congress which will actually give us an opportunity to better implement these changes. Clinton would certainly “fight hard” but that is her downfall. Winning elections by 2 points will not give us the majority needed to pass legislation. One other thing is electability, which almost everyone, including Republicans, agree that Obama has a better chance to win against McCain
I wonder why I haven’t heard anything in the national media about Obama and his stance concerning infanticide (which was an issue in his 2004 senate campaign against Alan Keyes). Check out the full story at these links:
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/opinion/20080228_The_Elephant_in_the_Room__Obama__A_harsh_ideologue_hidden_by_a_feel-good_image.html?text=xlg
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51121
If I found this, I imagine the Hillary people have as well and may be waiting for just the right moment to spring this on the public.
When his supporters find out about this, how many will still be supporters?
Hillary, instead of being honored to stand next to Obama (as she said at a recent debate), should be disgusted to even be in the same building with him!
You’re connecting two independent decisions, the authority is one decision the deciding to exercise that authority without cause is another decision. Hypothetically if FDR had acquired intelligence that Japan was going to strike PH. FDR comes to congress wanting authority to respond if attacked. If you vote against giving him the authority (based on what you know) or for giving him authority it’s a separate decision. The President is responsibility for exercising the authority. Do you not think the President of the United States has many different powers that can be used to the better or worst of mankind? Authority is neither good nor bad its how its’ used. You have an expectation that it will be used wisely. Let’s say Clinton was President he sought authority and got full compliance from Iraq without going to war and a future war was adverted. This would not make Obama’s decision right or wrong regarding the authority. You can’t make decisions in a vacuum.
i JUST WANT TO LET ALL THE OBAMA SUPPORTERS SAYING SHE HAS TO WIN BY BIG MARGINS THIS: FIRST, IF SHE WINS 3 OUT OF 4 STATES TOMORROW CAN YOU SAY “SHE IS HERE TIL THE CONVENTION”!!!!! SECOND, OBAMA HAS TWO STATES LEFT MISS AND NC, HILLARY HAS THE REST. HOW MANY SUPERDELEGATES ARE GOING TO GO TO A SINKING SHIP? THEN THERE IS FLORIDA AND MICH ICING ON THE CAKE….FLORIDA LOVES HILLARY…..THIS IS A SPANISH STATE WITH OVE 2OO DELEGATES…..IF SHE WINS TOMORROW OBAMA AND HIS QUESTIONABLE DEALINGS AND HIS TWO FACED NAFTA SCANDLE WILL SLOW HIM TO A CRAWL…..GL TOMORROW OBAMA….JUST AS CRUTIAL FOR YOU.
As a Canadian, I’d like to offer the following observations:
1. The day before the New Hampshire primary, CNN ran Hillary’s cry-baby routine repeatedly to the exclusion of everything else on the campaign. Barack was barely on the CNN radar. That Hillary won against the odds was not surprising.
2. Why is Barack’s connection to Tony Rezco such a big deal when Barack has disavowed Rezco and returned all of Rezco’s contributions? Why are McCain’s connections to lobbysts and McCains’s and the Clintons’ connections to Savings and Loans fiasco of the mid nineties swept under the rug?
3. Being a Canadian, I wouldn’t exactly vouch for what a Canadian official said about Barack’s ambiguous position on Nafta. As Donovan Bailey, the Canadian Olympic Gold medalist said while training for the Olympics in Atlanta, Canada doesn’t exactly measure up to the US as far as providing equal opportunities for the minorities. I am living proof of that. So, what a Canadian official says about Obama camp waffling on the Nafta issue can be attributed to a vested interest and taken with a bucket of salt.
4. In Hillary’s purported 35 years of experience, she must be counting her entire professional life. That kind of yardstick would qualify many to be the President of the USA, especially when the most significant years of those 35 years, the 8 years in the White House, she had no clue what was going on under her own nose.
5. Why has CNN and other media caved in to complaints from Hillary and her cohorts that she is not getting equal coverage in the news media and now run Hillary’s stuff 60% of the time. I am an independent observer from another country. I should know the difference.
6. Why are personal attacks on Barack from Hillary’s camp, some Republicans and many journalists, such as distributing a picture of Barack in Somali garb (it is a Somali garb, for goodness sake, and not a Muslim garb per se), having to disavow Farakhan for something that Farakhan said (what happened to Democracy and the 5th amendment rights of Farakhan, for crying out loud), and having to defend Michelle Obama’s statement that she’s never been more proud of America as she is now (a sentiment held by many, many interested people around the world after the abyss that the current administration has led the US to) are fair game when any personal attacks on Hillary or McCain is taboo?
7. To me, it is clear that there is a concerted effort by the same old, same old Washington-types and their cohorts (that includes CNN, in spades) to discredit the only phenomenon in more than two generations to grace our landscape, offering hope for the entire human kind. As Christ said, a prophet is not without honour except in his own land, among his own people.
SORRY BUT WE NEED A PRESIDENT NOT A ROCKSTAR AND IF THE CANADIAN OFFICIAL SAID IT WAS TRUE WHY WOULD HE LIE. SEEMS TO ME CANADA WOULD WANT A EASY GOING OBAMA THAN A LOOKOUT FOR AMERICAN HILLARY. YOU CAN’T SAY 1 THING TO A HURTING PPL AND SAY ANOTHER TO THE HURTING CAUSE. WE DON’T KNOW THIS GUY AMERICA, TONY REZCO, AYMES AND NAFTA LIES IS NOT “CHANGE”. OUR GENERALS SAY SHE IS READY, HER HEALTHCARE PLAN IS A TRUE UNIVERSAL PLAN, SHE WANTS TO HELP WITH EARLY CHILDCARE, AND HER EDUCATION PLAN IS BETTER, SHE IS KNOWN AROUND THE WOULD AS A SERIOUS PERSON. WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT?
Contrary to popular belief, Brandon, Obama wasn’t able to vote for the Iraq war like many people believe. He made a speech against it in 2002, which is very different than having to make the hard choice of actually voting or not voting based on the intelligence info that was given at the time, which Obama wan’t privy to. In 2004 he even changed his stance saying that if he had to actually vote on it, he’s not sure how he would have. That’s much different than the implication the general public has. Of course, the media doesn’t call him on this.
GOOD POINT CANADA….GIVING THE AUTHORIZATION WAS JUST THAT AN AUTHORIZATION IF ALL ELSE FAILS AND WE ARE IN DANGER YOU CAN GO TO WAR….THE DECISSION TO GO TO WAR WAS ALL BUSH AND HIS WARMONGERS. IF SHE WAS PRESIDENT SHE WOULD HAVE GIVE THE INSPECTORS TIME TO FINISH AND MADE THE DECISSION BASED ON WHAT WAS BEST FOR THE COUNTRY.
Hillary will lose because she is a hysterical, simpering, corrupt, obnoxious woman and obama is a forthright and respectable man. This country does not want a woman president, and we’ve all known it from the start. If she beats Obama its only because he’s black, and she sure as hell won’t beat McCain.
CB HAVE YOU BEAT ANY WOMEN LATELY, DO YOU KEEP YOU LIL LADY IN THE KITCHEN…WELL YOUR REALLY GONNA BE PISSED SOON BECAUSE YOUR WOMAN WILL HAVE A ROLE MODEL TO LOOK AT AS PRESIDENT AND HOPEFULLY SHE WILL STAND UP PROUD AND SAY “FREE AT LAST FREE ATLAST”
LOVE THE HILLARY HATES THEY ARE TOO FUNNY…..THEY REALLY HOLD A GRUDGE. COME ON HATERS WE ARE ALL DEMS HERE
I’m sorry, but what part of winning more states, more votes and more delegates do Hillary supporters not get? Your candidate has been beaten. She will end the primary/caucus cycle with fewer wins, fewer total votes and fewer earned delegates.
What definition of “democratic” would you be referring to when you suggest that Hillary should be the choice of the super delegates if she loses the most states, votes and delegates? Please don’t cite Michigan and Florida. As you can see from every contested election so far, where Obama and Clinton both appear on the ballot and where both actively campaign, Obama either wins (handily) or dramatically reduces Clinton’s name-recognition advantage in the polls. Hillary’s position in a state poll is at its peak on the day before Obama starts to campaign in the state. To suggest that Florida would have ended up the same way even if the candidates actually campaigned there is to disregard the evidence of every single contested race so far.
So, Democrats, why would you tear your party apart and guarantee another Republican victory by having party insiders overturn the will of the majority of the voters who actually participated in contested elections?
I have to agree that Hillary needs to go. She is not a fighter…she is selfish and self-centered. I started off this year a full-on supporter of her’s but honestly, I prefer Obama for all the right reasons, including his experience. Hillary is a whiner and the fact that she complains she has been mistreated by the press is very indicative of that fact. She is no longer the frontrunner and therefore should not be treated as the frontrunner. Barack rightfully earned that top spot by convincingly kicking her butt in just about every Primary/Caucus this election season. Anyone who accomplishes that feat is worthy of good press. We always cheer for the winner. Second place is hardly mentioned. So quit the hippocracy HRC supporters…Hillary needs to accept her “has been” status and figure out a fair and square way to get back on top. Maybe borrow a page from Barrack Obama’s campaign.
Hey girlfriend! Women Power! Yeah! I bet if she wins tomorrow, the male reporters that were singing her demise will be looking pretty glum. Obama is same old politics disguised as a smooth operator. The radical and unpatriotic Obama will be creamed in any general election against a war hero in John McCain. Hillary at least has a possible shot aginst McCain, but I still doubt it. Still I would love to see the Hillary haters eat their words.
I am a Republican that is planning to vote for Barack in the general. However, I do think that the media has been somewhat unfair to Hillary…not grossly unfair, just somewhat unfair. I want to know more about the Rezko thing before November. I know that Hillary also has numerous shady contributors….but I want to know if Rezko’s Iraqi buddy was truly laundering money for Saddam. I would doubt any connection, but that might explain Barack’s speech against invading Iraq. Also, no matter what happens with FL and MI, the situation will be unfair to someone. If MI is counted, that would be unfair to Obama. If FL is NOT counted, that would be unfair to Hillary. I think Hillary should stay in the race if she wins Ohio and Texas, at least through PA. She may pick up 30-40 delegates by then, and we would have to see what happens in NC, IN, KY, and other toss-up states. Don’t forget, Puerto Rico is the final contest, and she should do well there. I still plan to vote for Barack, but that isn’t yet written in stone.
MDEAL: Your being a Canadian does not excuse you from reporting the facts. Don’t rehash all of the McCain/ Clinton S&L scandals. They were fully reported , and neither McCain or Clinton were indicted for wrong doing. Granted they were not “clean”, but that was also reported. The Obama/ Rezco fiasco has not yet been fully reported: the MSM is covering for Obama, and that is a fact. Since I am A McCain supporter, I can understand you would consider me bias. The bottom line to all the Obama supporters is that Hillary has every right to stay in and fight to the end. Maybe if Hillary really wants to throw the sink at Obama she can start with Rezco, regardless of the Clinton’s picture with him. If that is all Obama supporters have in rebuttal. it is a very weak excuse for the shenanigans Obama has pulled with Rezco. Finally, and I will excuse you because you are a Canadian, you don’t know beans about American politics. McCain will show either Obama or Hillary as the Marxist/Socialists that they are, and do not represent the true American(passionate for the safety and well being of our country) and to hell with the United Nations. Can you imagine Obama in a crisis, running to the United Nations, and after the thousandth sanction, says he is getting really mad. America for Americans.
Obama has won mainly small to mid-sized states and only among Democrats. Hillary has won the bigger states and you need to win bigger states to win the White House. I’m not a Dem, so I think it’s kind of funny how screwed up the Dems are right now – and they don’t even know it.
Hillary is toast. You should realize that, even if Mrs. Clinton wins the popular vote in TX, at best, she will win about 50.1% of the delegates, which will not push her any closer to the nomination and will not move any of those unelected (non) super delegates to vote for her. The Clinton/Bush era is over!
HARRY HATE TO TELL YA WE ARE HAVING A REDO IN FLA AND HILLARY WON HUGE HERE(THE SPANISH PPL HERE LOVE HERE)OVER 200 DELEGATES. MICHIGAN LOVE THE HILL TOO 150 DELEGATES THERE. PENN WHERE HILL LEADS BIG 188 DELEGATES THERE. RI HILL WILL WIN 32 DELEGATES THERE. OBAMA HAS 2 MORE STATES NC AND MISS.
What I seem to be missing here is the point of view of Hillary winning Texas by a touch, Ohio by a handful, and then gaining back momentum and winning handily in PA. Now, if that happens, and she is clearly the momentus favorite, why shouldn’t BO pull out on his own, knowing that he would not win in November, even if he “may” have more delegates? This is not the final election, and it would be wise for our party to have him pull out and consider his own future. If he loses in November, I am not sure he would be able to rebound from that. Now, consider the possibility of him pulling into the VP role – would that ensure a huge turnout from Dems come November, and possibly give America the shot at a 16 year Democrat run in the WH?
Here is an analogy – In football, which team is the winner – One that scores 5 field goals or the one that scores 2 touchdowns (assuming 1 point thereafter)?
BO has more delegates and it should NOT matter whether they are from small states or big states.
Here is another analogy – If a team is ahead 15-0 and the losing team scores 14 unanswered points in the final quarter, is the losing team declared a winner because they had the momemtum?
BO has won this election fair and square and let’s be honorable and support him.
Great article. Finally some balanced coverage. NAFTA talk, NAFTA action; promise on general election funding, then no promise; talk about working across aisles, never done it in six years in Illinois. And even if we still decide to vote on the basis of tea leaves alone, the benefit of the doubt won’t be there, with Michelle’s talk and their membership in a church that honored Farrakhan, not to mention skipping universal health care. His bubble is bursting and the party’s coming to an end.
On the contrary…I am a Clinton supporter, and my next best candidate is McCain. Its not always about voting within my party lines, but for who I think would/will be the best President. If I am not mistaken, there are a very large number of Clinton supporters who may vote Rep. for the first time this year.
Obamopaths,
really? You guys continue to say the most immature, obnoxious stuff, repeating the right wing slime machine about Foster, etc. Your candidate is no less of a politician, even if presents himself as so, see Rezco, see NAFTA/Canadian consulate; see the New Repbulic article on how he used race. I’m tired of your accusations and rants. You make me not want to vote for him under any circumstances, although I will vote for him against any Republican.
Grow up. Your group is dominated by political and historical neophytes who don’t really understand what they are even supporting. The more you reenforce the rants of the right wing slime machine on anyone, the more powerful they get as the echochamber increases it’s volume. Don’t think that glowing oratory is going to allow Barak to avoid the slime machine.
Also, ask yourselves why you all hate Hillary so much. She really has done little to deserve hatred. I don’t hate Barak. Perhaps you are all angry at your mothers and need to resolve it in therapy or something- but powerful women are here to stay.
Leon
VERY well and fairly put. How refreshing. Hillary CLinton, like any other candidate, deserves her fair shot at the nomination. EVEN my hillary-hating friends (i have more than i care to admit) think it is hysterical how Obama has received non-stop gushing from the media and punditry. What blows my mind, on the eve of “Junior Tuesday,” is that HIllary is even registering in the polls with the minefields she has been navigating. IF she does win, if will prove two things. #1 The woman is cast-iron (forget teflon – that crap chips!) #2 The Media completely MADE Obama – and in our icon-toppling-obsessive culture – will be the first to take him down. If any of this sounds familiar – that means you’re old enough to remember what the Clintons wents through.
I agree with this article, and it is starting to look like the tide is tuning against Obama. What is sad, however, is that a Clinton win means that we’re back to business as usual. All the old divisiveness, win by destruction, shades of grey, half-truths, win at any cost, distortions, and the rest of it will be back.
Obama has his short-comings, but they are much more palatable then Clinton’s.
i believe obama has it in the bag…he has the biased msm to thank…
To be honest – assuming Senator Clinton manages a very narrow win in Texas, and a modest (less than 10 point) win in Ohio, it leaves the pledged delegate counts almost unchange. Sen. Obama leads in that count by roughly 155. Any closing of that gap from Texas and Ohio (perhaps she shrinks it to 140, at best) will be partly offset by Sen. Obama’s expected blow-out in Mississippi next week, putting his pledged delegate-lead back at 150+.
Without *significant* wins in Ohio AND Texas, enough to really chop his delegate lead to 100 or so, it’s hard to see how Senator Clinton can close the gap – there simply aren’t enough states left.
And in the end, be under no illusions, please – now that rank and file Democrats understand the pledged delegate vs. super-delegate structure, the super-delegates are NOT going to overturn any significant pledged-delegate lead. PERIOD. They would risk splitting the party and depressing turnout in November, and it’s not going to happen. If Senator Obama has a lead of more than 50 or 60 super-delegates going into the Convention, he will be the nominee. Florida and Michigan won’t be seated unless their votes either make no difference, or (less likely) there are “do over” elections in both states.
Senator Clinton’s done an admirable job of going negative with “Rezko” stories, etc., and while she’s managed to slow the Obama-tide in Texas and Ohio, it’s too little, too late. He will be the nominee. The math simply doesn’t work for Hillary without large wins in these two big states, which look very unlikely.
people are now showing hate for Obama because its is becoming clear that he too can win. why did the press not talk about the issue of CLINTON MONEY GAME WITHTHE CANDIAN BILLIONAIRE.
We can only hope that this fight goes on. If the media cannot examine Barack Obama’s weasely ways when he is running against the Queen Hillary, imagine what they do if he competes against McCain.
On a more serious note – this thing is just pure fun. “A plague o’ both your houses!” is the best description of what many right-wing progressives like me feel about Obama and Hillary.
As a Republican I am hoping for Hillary wins in Ohio and Texas.
The GOP will benefit greatly from a Hillary nomination because she will help the GOP hold marginal seats and win marginal seats.
She will also lose to John McCain.
Even better than that will be seeing the underlining bigots in the Democrat Party vote against Obama.
Democrats will never nominate a black man.
Democrats are racist.
I will enjoy the chaos.
Go Hillary.
Lester, the hard core socialist big goverment vote has gone over to Obama.
SORRY KIRK IT HAS ALREADY BEEN REPORTED IN FLA THERE WILL BE A DO OVER GOV CRISP WANTS IT….BAD NEWS FOR OBAMA ALSO HIS LEAD IS NOT 150 IT IS 109 IN DELEGATES. AND MISS ONLY HAS 33 DELEGATES, PENN WHICH HILLARY IS AHEAD BY 12% HAS 188, PUERTO RICO HAS 55 SHE WILL GET 35-45 OF THOSE(SPANISH). SO IT IS MORE THAN REASONABLE TO SAY SHE CAN WIN AND MAYBE EVEN MORE THAN ANY1 WANTS TO ADMIT.
The new attempt by Clinton to launch a last minute smear campaign against Obama is exactly the type of politics that need to change. All of these “issues” are the type of innuendo that Clinton should be ashamed to engage in. Smear tactics that claim he is Muslim? or unpatriotic because he doesnt wear a flag pin? or links to groups that he doesnt support?
I’m a Democrat, but I wont vote for Clinton if she did find a way to steal the election now. She and her husband are exactly the type of politicians we need to kick out of the country.
If any of you think that these smear campaigns are a normal part of the political process and healthy for the country, then you deserve the net result – a government that is running us into a depression.
The real issues that America needs to be discussing are intentionally not discussed, because our business leadership doesnt want the American people to ask why we dont have affordable healthcare, or why our dollar has fallen 40% versus other countries, or why gas continues to soar in price, etc.
Dont buy into smears. Look at the candidates positions and ignore/challenge these old political games.
Here are a few points for the Americans to ponder from an interested, brown-skinned Canadian with no horses in this race:
1. The day before the New Hampshire primary, CNN ran Hillary’s cry-baby routine repeatedly to the exclusion of everything else happening on the campaign trail. Barack was barely on the CNN radar. The fact that Hillary won against the odds was not surprising.
2. Why is Barack’s connection to Tony Rezco such a big deal, and why does CNN keep so shamelessly harping on the falsehood that Rezco is a fund-raiser for Barack when Barack has disavowed Rezco and has delivered all of Rezco’s contributions to charity? Why are McCain’s connections to lobbysts and McCain’s and the Clintons’ connections to Savings and Loans fiasco of the mid nineties had been swept under the rug? Why did CNN and other news media allow the news item on McCain in the New York Times to die off so quickly and avoid any further reference to it? Are these matters not relevant anymore to the candidacies of McCain and Hillary?
3. Being a Canadian, I wouldn’t exactly vouch for what a Canadian official said about Barack’s ambiguous position on Nafta. As Donovan Bailey, the Canadian Olympic Gold medalist, said while training for the Olympics in Atlanta, Canada doesn’t exactly measure up to the US as far as providing equal opportunities for the minorities. I am living proof of that. So, what a Canadian official says about Obama camp waffling on the Nafta issue can be attributed to a bigoted, vested interest, and should be taken with a bucket of salt.
4. For Hillary’s purported 35 years of experience, she must be counting her entire professional life. That kind of yardstick would qualify many regular Joes and Janes to be the President of the USA, especially when during the most significant years of those 35 years, the 8 years in the White House, she had no clue what was going on under her own nose.
5. Why has CNN and other media caved in to complaints from Hillary and her cohorts that she is not getting equal coverage in the news media and now run Hillary’s stuff 60% of the time. I am an independent observer from another country. I should know the difference.
6. Why are personal attacks on Barack from Hillary’s camp, some Republicans and many journalists, such as distributing a picture of Barack in Somali garb (it is a Somali garb, for goodness sake, and not a Muslim garb per se), having to disavow Farakhan for something that Farakhan said (what happened to democracy and the free-speech rights of Farakhan enshrined in the US constitution, for crying out loud), and having to defend Michelle Obama’s statement that she’s never been more proud of America as she is now (a sentiment, incidentally, held by many, many interested people around the world after the abyss that the current administration has led the US to) are fair game when any personal attacks on Hillary or McCain are taboo?
7. I have known many nice Americans, more than nationals of any other country that I know of. The normal American that I know is a kindly, genial person. I’d like to think that he/she has also enough intelligence not to be blindsided by gutter politics. America, this is your time. Pick up that sceptre that your forbears so painstakingly earned and your current leaders have so disdainfully discarded. Let your mettle show once again to the rest of the world. Allow the world to look up to you again with awe and respect.
8. To me, it is clear that there is a concerted effort by the same old, same old Washington-types and their cohorts (that includes CNN, in spades) to discredit the only phenomenon in more than two generations to grace our landscape, offering hope for the entire human kind. As Christ said, a prophet is not without honour except in his own land, among his own people.
I am a lifelong democrat and have NEVER voted for a republican in my life.
However.
If BO is the nominee, I will, for the first time in my life, vote for a republican for president.
I can not and will not support or vote for barrack Hussien Obama. I won’t. He’s a liar, he’s nothing but a big time talker with nothing to back it up. He claims he opposed the war from the beginning, but he WASN’T in the senate to vote at the time so it didn’t matter what he supported or didn’t and he probably would have voted yes if he had the same evidence that was presented to everyone else.
Look at his voting record. Not very strong. Very indecisive. He can’t make a decision on what to vote for, how is he going to make decisions as POTUS??? He’s lied about his past, about his continued drug use, about Rezko, about his racist church about being further left than any person living or dead and he lies with every breath he exhales.
Hillary is human. She has made human mistakes. She’s not perfect, but she is very talented, very dedicated and a great leader. I support her 100%.
IF OB is the nominee, I’ll be another democrat voting for John McCain. Not just ANY democrat either, I’ve not only voted in every possible election I’ve qualified to vote in, I’m campaigned, I’ve gone door to door, I’ve lived and breathed the Democratic Party, but if my choice in November is Obama or McCain, my vote will be McCain.
It took a Clinton to clean up after the first bush and it will take a Clinton to clean up after this one.
Hillary 08
She will win tomorrow …. And, democrats and media will look back at what Obama has really done.
You remember right after 9/11 how media was biased. Every word against Bush was anti-patriotic? Now, it is for Obama – though hopefully after tomorrow, not any more.
Go Hillary go! You are the most competent person in the field.
Obama comes from a cesspool of liberal Chicago politics. It’s a shame for the democrats that his Rezko relationship has not been covered more responsibly. It’s also a shame that Obama’s ties to Bill Ayers from the Weathermen has not been covered as well.
And so the GOP smiles, hoping for Obama to get the nomination. Swift boating has never been so easy. If a half true report about Kerry can be concocted about his military service, imagine the reports that will come from things that are actually true.
Obama the fraud can only explain things away for so long. Eventually he will be vetted. Independent voters will never vote for him when they find out the truth. And they will in time.
Get serious! The media loves the warring going on between the two campaigns, that in the process allows the democrats to destroy their party. As a mathematician, I am telling you that statistically, Mrs. Clinton chances of winning the nomination is 18%; whereas Mr. Obama’s is 82%. The odds are heavily against Mrs. Clinton. It will not be a miracle if she wins, it will be a fix.
At a convention that I attended clear back in October, the Clinton campaign boasted to hundreds of democrats that the nomination was hers. The arrogant approach was to make us believe that her coronation was inevitable and that the rest of the candidates should just step aside. A Clinton supporter said to me, “It doesn’t matter. She will win because nobody in this country cares and no one will vote.” …..REALLY??? I think Obama has proven that we care a whole lot, but we just don’t care for politicans like the Clintons who take money from lobbyists, then say they will fight them; who minimize wins by saying, “Jesse Jackson did well in South Carolina, too”; who use fear-mongering to scare up votes through 3AM terrorist ads; who belittle Obama’s message of hope and characterize an intelligent man who has inspired action as someone who is creating false hope. I just want to say that actions do speak louder than words, and Obama has motivated voters like me and over a million nationwide to actually think that our voice really does matter. We are ACTING ON HIS WORDS. His policy SOLUTIONS are nearly identical to hers, so what makes her any different? Our actions are speaking for his words. Clintons condescending, cynical political approach has made me ill. He is honest and intelligent. Anyone who thinks otherwise is sadly falling for Clintons negativity and power-hungry ploys. May this primary season end soon…
i love how one guy is screaming hate in all capitals and the other guys are backing him up and calling us obnoxious
florida may or may not have a redo, but i can assure you BO will do better there when he has a chance to campaign
and does no one realize that texas is partially a caucus? not entirely sure of the breakdown, but for some mysterious reason, probably because people get to talk things out, BO does much better than the polls indicate during caucuses.
i havent heard anything convincing here from the hillary gang. just generalizations and uncalled for attacks. if anyone wants to come at me with facts i would gladly enjoy countering every one.
Hillary is a dispicable, malignant gutter politician who will has so far proven that she will lie and cheat to win. When the truth comes out about her last minute swiftboating on NAFTA and her supposed foreign policy experience, her apparent confidence in John McCain over Barack Obama in the hot seat. By the time the Democratic Convention comes around there will be two democratic parties with unreconcilable differences.
In the highly unlikely event she does become president the only hope would be that Bill picks up the phone!
“Here is an analogy – In football, which team is the winner – One that scores 5 field goals or the one that scores 2 touchdowns (assuming 1 point thereafter)?
BO has more delegates and it should NOT matter whether they are from small states or big states.
Here is another analogy – If a team is ahead 15-0 and the losing team scores 14 unanswered points in the final quarter, is the losing team declared a winner because they had the momemtum?
BO has won this election fair and square and let’s be honorable and support him.”
Your analogy fails for one simple reason: The Democratic nomination is not secured by winning the MAJORITY of delegates. It’s secured by winning 2025. Why should EITHER Obama or Clinton drop out when neither are even close to getting that number? Granted, if things stay exactly the way they are now (Obama making few mistakes and enjoying a free ride from the press) it’s unlikely that Hillary will catch up with him on pledged delegates. However, things could change on a dime. Obama is the product of a the sleaziest, most corrupt political machine in the US – Chicago. Who knows what type of bombshell could sink his campaign? Likewise, the Clintons are never short of scandals. Maybe something or someone could blow her out of the water. I think it’s LUDICROUS to act like Hillary Clinton is evil and selfish for staying in the race. Particularly given the fact that neither candidate is even close to 2025, alot of the states Obama won are those that Democratics have no chance in hell of winning in November (e.g. Alaska, Utah, etc.) and Obama isn’t winning the majority of Democratic voters (and to assume these Hillary’s Democratic supporters will fall in line and vote for Obama in November is risky. McCain picks up more Democrats in a head to head match up with Obama than he does with Clinton.)
As far as press bias goes: I don’t think the problem with the press coverage is that it’s been too tough on Hillary as much as it’s been too soft on Obama. CNN, NBC and especially MSNBC act like the guy walks on water.
RE the relevance of Rezko: Obama claims his judgment is superior to Clinton and McCain’s judgment. So even if Obama isn’t directly linked to Rezko’s corruption trial I think it’s more than to fair to question just how SUPERIOR Obama’s judgment (and personal character) is given his long, close association with the guy. (Not to mention the shady land deal he had going with him.) Does Clinton have equally sleazy connections? Sure. The difference is, Obama presents himself as BETTER than her and McCain. He’s a hypocrite and needs to be called out on it.
Hillary Clinton has been telling America that she is the most qualified candidate for president based on her ‘record,’ which she says includes her eight years in the White House as First Lady – or ‘co-president’ – and her seven years in the Senate.
Here is a reminder of what that record includes:
- As First Lady, Hillary assumed authority over Health Care Reform, a process that cost the taxpayers over $13 million. She told both Bill Bradley and Patrick Moynihan, key votes needed to pass her legislation, that she would ‘demonize’ anyone who opposed it. But it was opposed; she couldn’t even get it to a vote in a Congress controlled by her own party. (And in the next election, her party lost control of both the House and Senate.)
- Hillary assumed authority over selecting a female Attorney General. Her first two recommendations, Zoe Baird and Kimba Wood, were forced to withdraw their names from consideration. She then chose Janet Reno. Janet Reno has since been described by Bill himself as ‘my worst mistake.’
- Hillary recommended Lani Guanier for head of the Civil Rights Commission. When Guanier’s radical views became known, her name had to be withdrawn.
- Hillary recommended her former law partners, Web Hubbell, Vince Foster, and William Kennedy for positions in the Justice Department, White House staff, and the Treasury, respectively. Hubbell was later imprisoned, Foster committed suicide, and Kennedy was forced to resign.
- Hillary also recommended a close friend of the Clintons, Craig Livingstone, for the position of director of White House security. When Livingstone was investigated for the improper access of up to 900 FBI files of Clinton enemies (“Filegate”) and the widespread use of drugs by White House staff, both Hillary and her husband denied knowing him. FBI agent Dennis Sculimbrene confirmed in a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing in 1996, both the drug use and Hillary’s involvement in hiring Livingstone. After that, the FBI closed its White House Liaison Office, after serving seven presidents for over thirty years.
- In order to open “slots” in the White House for her friends the Thomasons (to whom millions of dollars in travel contracts could be awarded), Hillary had the entire staff of the White House Travel Office fired; they were reported to the FBI for ‘gross mismanagement’ and their reputations ruined. After a thirty-month investigation, only one, Billy Dale, was charged with a crime – mixing personal money with White House funds when he cashed checks. The jury acquitted him in less than two hours.
- Another of Hillary’s assumed duties was directing the ‘bimbo eruption squad’ and scandal defense:
—- She urged her husband not to settle the Paula Jones lawsuit.
—- She refused to release the Whitewater documents, which led to the appointment of Ken Starr as Special Prosecutor. After $80 million dollars of taxpayer money was spent, Starr’s investigation led to Monica Lewinsky, which led to Bill lying about and later admitting his affairs.
—- Then they had to settle with Paula Jones after all.
—- And Bill lost his law license for lying to the grand jury
—- And Bill was impeached by the House.
—- And Hillary almost got herself indicted for perjury and obstruction of justice (she avoided it mostly because she repeated, ‘I do not recall,’ ‘I have no recollection,’ and ‘I don’t know’ 56 times under oath).
- Hillary wrote ‘It Takes a Village,’ demonstrating her Socialist viewpoint.
- Hillary decided to seek election to the Senate in a state she had never lived in. Her husband pardoned FALN terrorists in order to get Latino support and the New Square Hassidim to get Jewish support.
Hillary also had Bill pardon her brother’s clients, for a small fee, to get financial support.
- Then Hillary left the White House, but later had to return $200,000 in White House furniture, china, and artwork she had stolen.
- In the campaign for the Senate, Hillary played the ‘woman card’ by portraying her opponent (Lazio) as a bully picking on her.
- Hillary’s husband further protected her by asking the National Archives to withhold from the public until 2012 many records of their time in the White House, including much of Hillary’s correspondence and her calendars. (There are ongoing lawsuits to force the release of those records.)
- As the junior Senator from New York, Hillary has passed no major legislation. She has deferred to the senior Senator (Schumer) to tend to the needs of New Yorkers, even on the hot issue of medical problems of workers involved in the cleanup of Ground Zero after 9/11.
- Hillary’s one notable vote; supporting the plan to invade Iraq, she has since disavowed.
Anyone else running is more qualified.
RANDY ARE YOU REPUBLICAN OR JUST BITTER?
MONK I CHALLENGE YOUR FORMULA…..SHOW ME WHAT MATH FORMULA YOU USED TO FIQURE YOU ASSUMPTION
HRC had millions of dollars, name recognition and connections that only the first lady can have, and somehow, she went from being a double digit leader to being in her current position of being more than 150 pledged delegates behind Obama.
She has blamed the voters, accused us of being foolish, she has blamed the media, never has she blamed herself. I wonder if it occurs to her that the reason the media is being hard on her, is in fact fair, as it was HER CAMPAIGN that planted the story on plagiarism, and then denied knowledge of how it got to the NY times, it was HER CAMPAIGN that said “shame on you Obama” over facts that she claimed were incorrect in his mailings, when the facts proved correct.
OF course when you use the press to try to smear some one, the press resents it and they will turn on you. It is in fact the definition of fair that if you push some one, they push back.
The simple truth is that HRC would have to win every state, just to break even in pledged delegates, by a ratio of 58 -42 ( 16 points) and it remains a simple truth that the only way HRC comes remotely close to winning the nomination is if the superdelegates vote AGAINST the will
of the American people, and steal the vote….
Obviously that will destroy the party, part of the country, and this election.
Here’s the deal … neither HRC or BHO can wrap up the nomination by going over the 2025 magic number with primary generated delegates. The superdelegates do not want to pick the nominee. Sooo we will be going to the convention where a nominee will be picked. In the meantime, the longer the primary season continues, the more Barack Obama’s glow will fade and Hillary Clinton will have a greater chance of landing the nomination. After the first ballot, the pledged delegates are free to vote for who they feel is the better candidate to win in November. If Clinton lands OH, TX, and PA she will have won all the big states (including FL), have the most popular vote and the most important states to carry for a democrat to win in November.
Tony Rezko and “media unfairness” are Hillary’s issues? So, if she gets elected as President of the United States, she will enact policy based on Tony Rezko and “media unfairness”? This is desperation rearing its ugly head, and a boon to all of us who hope to see McCain as President. The Democratic party and its narcissists once again self-destruct.
Randy is not necessarily a republican hes “truthful” and “convincing” and get this!! he’s not using all caps!!! wowww
And Obama CAN get the 2025… it wont be easy, and its not probable, but going into the convention with one candidate clearly ahead in delegates means that candidate should win.
And frankly, Hillary people, give up. Please. You are hurting our party and our chances. He needs to devote his attention to McCain who is going after him. Obama is ready to lead and can be trusted, and that’s why he is winning. Just because some democrats are clinging to their misbegotten beliefs about experience and “women’s revenge” and all that doesnt mean you have the right to derail the entire party.
And for the record, he does not need FL like you would hope so, meng. If he wins Ohio and the other swing states he can easily beat McCain come november
DGSMITH, YOU ARE NOT FACTORING IN FLA WHICH AMOUNCED A DO OVER …HILLARY WON HUGE HERE AND MICH…..AND AS FAR AS SUPERDELEGATES VOTING AGAINST THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE….TELL THAT TO MR KENNEDY AND MR KERRY WHO’S DISTRICTS WENT OVERWHELMINGLY HILLARY, TELL THAT TO THE GOV OF MASS WHO’S STATE WAS WON BY CLINTON, TELL THAT TO ALL THE OBAMA BANDWAGON JUMPERS WHO’S DISTRICTS OR STATE HAS WENT FOR HILLARY…..DOUBLE STANDARD?
I would need to go with “bitter”. I am so dismayed that democrats can’t put up better candidates than this.
Actually Chris Matthews was right – “the reason she’s a U.S. senator, the reason she’s a candidate for president, the reason she may be a front-runner is her husband messed around. That’s how she got to be senator from New York. We keep forgetting it. She didn’t win there on her merit.”
She is so under qualified it is pitiful really. I see her ads hear in Texas about who who you want answering the red phone in the middle of the night and it is terrifying to think of her in that position.
I am going to vote in the primary tomorrow but I certainly wish I had a choice of someone who had actully run something, accomplished something or had some integrity. I wish Gore had run.
Who are these people? Where’s Jan from Amerst, MA? I need one of her links!
Sorry Marcus, better? There is this thing I like to call democracy, that needs to play out. if he loses tomorrow the race is on and penn gets to vote, florida gets to vote(again). this race is far from being over and instead of embracing the right for all people to have a vote you want her to just fold up and give it to some1 she and alot of people feels isn’t ready yet or is relatively unknown.
i second the gore comment but am very comfortable with hillary.
Randy from TX:
I think they’re BOTH disturbingly underqualified. As a former conservative Democratic, I’m dismayed by the identity politics of my old party. Obama wouldn’t be in the position he is now (VERY close to the presidency) if he wasn’t black and HRC wouldn’t be where she is if she wasn’t the wife of a former President that’s still popular with Democratic voters. Everytime I hear someone yammer about how awesome and historic this election is I want to throw something at the TV. It’s a TRAVESTY that either of these jokers are so close to the most powerful job in the world.
But the thing that pisses me off the MOST about this election is the crappy job the press has done in covering it. I’m sick of the pro-Obama (and overall liberal) bias. I’m sick of the emphasis on punditry and lack of serious investigations of the candidate’s statements and records. I’m sick of the emphasis on personality over issues. The US press, from the NYTimes to the cable news channels need to be ashamed.
Murphy, you are so right about the media. It is terrible how they have not done the business on investigating the candidates. How do you feel about superdelegates jumping ship in the name of “following the voice on my district” while mr kennedy and mr kerry’ district went for hillary? and the black gov of mass, where hillary won big, isn’t changing his vote.
Yes – what Murphy said!
In the general election HRC is a loser almost for certain, liberal dems will be weak for her, independants will break torward McCain, black voter will be bitter and Reps will come out in droves to vote against her.
BO beside being unqualified is untested and naive. He will likely get run over by the machine before he knows what hit him. He does give a heck of a good speech though.
“DON’T FORGET FL”":
I’ve said the exact same thing about Kennedy, Kerry and DuVal. If the superdelegates are going to follow the will of their constituents than those guys need to switch to Hillary. Otherwise Obama supporters are being hypocrites. The rule should apply to BOTH candidates.
I also think it would be STUPID of the Democratic party to ignore Florida and Michigan. The DNC should’ve followed the lead of the Republicans and penalized the too-early states of 1/2 their delegates – not all of them. It would be pretty pitiful if the Dems lost in the general election over that one decision. The Dems need to bite the financial bullet and redo those primaries.
I also think the Obama people should watch how much they slam the Clintons as sleazy and racist. Those right wing talking points may backfire. HRC has the highest negatives of any remaining candidate, but she and her husband are still very popular with the base of the Democratic party. Obama will need them in November. One problem for Obama is that these folks have some legit choices this year: The more liberal Clinton supporter can choose Nader while the more conservative may feel comfortable supporting McCain – especially since the far right loon element of the Republican party hates McCain so much. Alot of the Obama supporters think they have the Presidency in the bag, but they should really check out the polls. McCain isn’t THAT far off (avg of 4% I think). Not bad for a very old man in a party with an EXTREMELY unpopular president. Plus McCain supports an incredibly unpopular war. By all rights McCain should be getting TROUNCED by St. Obama, but he’s not. Obama needs to shore his base almost as much as McCain does.
RCP Average 02/18 to 02/25 – 43.5% 47.4% Obama +3.9%
I would rather have a capable policy wonk (Clinton) in the White House than an evangelical preacher with several years of Senate experience. I still can’t believe that the American herd is rallying around nonsense like, “We are the ones that we have been waiting for.” Really, what the heck does that mean? Imagine if the subject pronoun was changed — “I am the one that I have been waiting for.” Yeah, let me call the shrink and get you back on your meds…People wake up! That statement is so self-referential, solipsistic, and deifies the chosen (like the Nazis did) to such an extent that it CONTRADICTS the major tenets of every religion that remind human beings to find a higher standard outside of themselves and their own self-absorption. Can someone explain why people scream, tremble and cry over a charismatic personality whose self-indulgent mantras are found on Celestial Seasoning herbal tea boxes? Good Lord, and we wonder why the rest of the world laughs at us….
Polling Data
Poll Date Sample Clinton Obama Spread
RCP Average 02/26 – 03/02 – 46.8 46.5 Clinton +0.3
Rasmussen 03/02 – 03/02 710 LV 47 48 Obama +1.0
InsiderAdvantage 03/02 – 03/02 609 LV 49 44 Clinton +5.0
PPP (D) 03/01 – 03/02 755 LV 50 44 Clinton +6.0
SurveyUSA 03/01 – 03/02 840 LV 48 49 Obama +1.0
texas
Rasmussen 03/02 – 03/02 858 LV 50 44 Clinton +6.0
Suffolk 03/01 – 03/02 400 LV 52 40 Clinton +12.0
PPP (D) 03/01 – 03/02 1112 LV 51 42 Clinton +9.0
SurveyUSA 03/01 – 03/02 873 LV 54 44 Clinton +10.0
Reuters/CSpan/Zogby 02/29 – 03/02 761 LV 45 47 Obama +2.0
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The POINT is, Hillary went from “inevitable” to underdog… doesn’t that say something about her ability to win against McCain? Hillary claims that empty sloganeering by a Muslims man’s son is responsible for her rout. Well how will she survive being torched by talk radio? Everyone likes Obama except Hispanics who have a traditional respect for matriarchs.
my gawd, has every one gone crazy! she lost 11 in a row – all i ever see is clinton, clinton, clinton in the news! she has accomplished nothing in the Senate as it was only a stepping stone to the presidency! her and her husbacd have had an investigatory list that reads like a rap sheet for hardened criminals! her husband was impeached AND disbarred as a parting accomplishment as president. she is just getting started after 14 months of this crap! she kicks, cries, sobs, lies, distorts, complains, scolds and changes her story and face every time she needs to re-tool her losing campaign, she is ruining the dem possibilities against McCain! she is guaranteeing that people like me will vote REP if she is the nominee! she has no credibility except for her husband’s presidency! she has failed at everything of sustance she has tried to manage, including her astronomical lead in every state at the end of last year! she is not accountable for all her flip-flops, vague claims of leadership, and hysterical exaggerations. now she is just barely suviving a 20 plus pt lead in two major states that were her firewall to blow obama out of the water! blah, blah, blah…yadda, yadda, yadda, need i go on! pathetic, lame and just nauseating! there ain’t no cure for stupid, AND we sure got a lot of that in America in 2008! Make mine OBAMA! I would not enjoy voting for McCain! But i prefer a REP instead of a criminal, megalomanic and mythomaniac with multiple personalties and no redeeming substance of character that could benefit the country, the world and the change that finally has a real chance to occur with leaving the likes of the Clinton Legacy and others behind! Forward to the Future! We are the ones we have been waiting for, don;t screw up now! Vote OBAMA! Vote for some sanity and security without fear and bullying! Vote for a better tomorrow!
There’s no one in the race who has chief executive experience. Given that, why not go for vision? At least when the vision is right, you can expect some progress, in the right direction. If the vision is “Look how evil Obama is!”, you can expect strategic confusion and tactical gridlock. Hillary will do NOTHING to help the despised Democrat-majority Congress in 2008.
If Hillary wins the nomination say hello to President McCain. I will never vote for her because of her conduct. The Clintons will do anything to win and after their 8 years of shame and corruption I am in no hurry to return to that.
I agree, she has proven how hard work pays off! She has campaigned like crazy! This woman never gives up, she’s a fighter and will stand up against all odds. That shows that she will be a great leader for our country. What an amazing woman. She has my vote tomorrow.
wjp, I find it so funny how people are so quick to throw stones at hillary by using her husbands foulups. how did your 90′s go. with clinton as pres i did very well the budget was balanced, welfare was reformed, minumum wage was lifted and a deficit was turned to a surplus. if your gonna bash the best dem president in history don’t call yourself a dem. ….praise him b4 obama and curse him when obama is running against his wife. dream some more with obama maybe you can conjure up him some experience. funny in my dreams i see him with alot of unanswered questions….
Hillary has gotten woefully bad press and the press will py for their stupidity… tre are three candidates two dem and one repub that are on the same side of the political spectrum…. the only problem is who is the least dirty of them all … I vote Hillary Clinton.. cause just being from Chi town and the Rez-trial and all will make Obama look foooooolish! not to mention Axelrod or whomever it was giving a wink and a nod to Canada about NAFTA…. just doesnt pass the smell test… this is why Obama is the straw man in the race…. nice try you corrupt conservative wack jobs! Some of the electorate have been around for a few years…Hillary will take OH/TX/RI and lose VT but Dr Dean is from there so go figure:)
Folks, let’s face the facts: Although I support Obama, i expect Hillary to win Texas, Ohio and Rhode Island (Vermont is Obama-Land). My question is: SO WHAT?
I don’t think it matters who won which state and when (Momentum? Is that important?).
Hillary might win the States I named – BUT AT WHAT MARGIN? I bet that Obama will be ahead in delegates after tomorrow because he is simply to far ahead.
The one who has more delegates after tomorrow should be the presidential candidate. We – as Democrats – can’t afford to battle this childish fight while John McCain gets a free ride. I hope the super-delegates will notice that as well. Folks, even after the votes from Pansylvania, it is still unlikely Hillary can overtake Obama. And why should Michigan and Florida suddenly count? Just because Hillary just found out she might need those votes to keep her dream alive AFTER she agreed to NOT count this votes? Hillary, stick to the rules and do what’s in the best interest of your party – WHEN your behind in delegates after tomorrow – GET OUT OF THE RACE!
I can’t believe this. She was ahead by double digits 4 days ago! Now it is unbelievable that she is in the margin of error and speaks to some momentum — please! Let’s talk about senate accomplishments — Obama has more and they are more impressive to most that know them. Why does everyone buy Hillary’s experience argument. Being around DC and in the White House doesn’t count.
If Obama lost 11 contests in a row — what would the media be saying — Clinton has gotten such a pass — pathetic –
Here’s how it is. You people are turning on each other like hungry wolves. When the media didn’t attack Obama and people were free to seek out and find their own information, making up a mind of their own, the media was “winning the election for Obama”? And now if people are turned off by him because of an onslaught of attacks the media is “finally playing fair”? It’s amusing, but America doesn’t deserve someone with the integrity of Obama. I don’t think you see very clearly who the looser of this campaign really is. Hint: It’s not any one of the candidates.
cin, obama has outspent hillary 2-3 to 1 in advertisement, he has enjoyed until saturday, being the baby of the press and he was ahead in texas yesterday and he’s not today. when have you seen him lose a lead (never). she has got his number now. rezco is sticking, naft lies and double talk is sticking, ayers friendship is sticking. ever heard the statement (birds of a feather flock together). i need to know more about the stuff the press hasn’t investigated until now.
I hope she wins so we can all vote for McAint.
I remember the Clinton years and they were good years for America compared to where we are now. I feel Barack Obama has the potential to be a great president. Hillary pisses me off because she seems seems to be so divisive. However having said that, I feel the GOP have had their day for a while. Things have gone from bad to worse. Polititians should have to wear the logos of the special interest groups that are backing them like NASCAR drivers. Then we could probably see why certain important things just don’t get done and other questionable things pop to the top of the priority list. Why can’t things change!
Of COURSE Obama is a better bet if we Democrats actually want to win the WHITE HOUSE.
After watching Hillary’s manipulative, misleading, negative campaiging I am one Democrat who will vote for McCain just to show how pissed off I am.
Look every1, they have both ran a tough campaign. to say this has been viscious would be crazy. remember what rep did to kerry and mccain. they are both vying for the nomination and its not suppose to be “here you can have it, no you take it”…it is supposed to be 2 canidates sharing the differences and the things they feel they can do better than the other. so why say “i’ll vote mccain if so in so wins. if you do you do not want to get universal healthcare of get out of iraq. stop being so mean about this ppl ….its politics, did you expect hugs and puppies.
to froget fl – well, like i said, i understand there is no cure for people like you! that is only one aspect of her entire repertoire of bad character and judgements! NY was promised thousands of jobs when she ran as an outsider for the NY Senate. They have a job DEFICIT! i could go on and on! i don’t have time to argue with the likes of you- so you rode the internet bubble of the clinton adminsitration! 5that bubble was a psuedo boom – it burst just like clinton’s credibility! i could writ a book about clinton years, AND hillary’s despicable ploys. you wanther, fine! i don’t! and i never like bill or swallowed his smooth willy ways! now that’s someone who should be scolded for thinking he was the new JFK! hardly! i think obama willbe around one way or another! he still might clinch this nimination even with all the clinton garbage being thrown at him and all her crying about her mismanaged campaign and losing leads! she is so good at everything that is wrong with the system and our country but avoids accountability, herself! i am finished – make mine OBAMA! you can rationalize your wasted vote on hillary all you want! i really don’t care! i lived the clinton legacy, i have done my homework and i know how to think for myself! I WANT THE TYPE OF CHANGE HE MAY POSSIBLY BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH! and i will help any way i can! hillary is the lead of the hopeless, the arrogant and the delusional! their laurels have shriveled and are dust except for the stains they have left on this great country and the many people they have damged in their struggle for power, status and title! end of story!
Some interesting numbers (since they are telling more than opinions):
There are 611 pledged delegates left after March 4th contests. Hillary would need to win at least 62 percent of all remaining pledged delegates to get back to even. … If Hillary does not win Texas and Ohio by healthy double-digit margins — and she led by healthy double-digit margins as recently as two weeks ago — she will be facing almost impossible odds to reverse the delegate math.
While the Clintons gamely continue to try to move the goal posts, at some point there has to be a reckoning. It is a very simple question — what is their path to secure the nomination? No amount of spin can change the math.
That’s what we are looking at. Hillary might get some momentum back – but I still believe the losing-street BETWEEN the two ‘Super-Suesdays’ broke her ‘nomination-neck’..Her nap was simply too long….
If Hillary wins, maybe someone should start talking about her REAL negative: the pardons granted in the final days of the first Clinton Administration…
that is the problem justin, vote with your head not with your feelings.
I try to never say things can’t get worse because they usually can. I believe John McCain is an honest man but from all accounts is not team player, maybe because his team sucks.
His team has been running this country long enough, so don’t shoot yourself..and me in the foot!
the whole country has job DEFICIT. why should hillary’s be different. and while your free thinking wjp, think about how obama has talked you right into voting for some1 with ties to rezco(slumlord), ayers(terrorist) and rev ferikan(racist) hows your thinking now. if obama wins atleast i won’t jump of the dem bandwagon and will give my support for the nominee. how bout you?
finalday, floriday and mich will be counted she will catch up. watch
don’t even get me started on those damn pardons for the hispanic support and funding! makes me wonder why the library donot list is soooooooooo private and sealed away til 2012!!!!! what is it on that list that is so incriminatint? and why won’t anyone address that issue publicly – they received public funds – tax dollars for that project and should have to provide that info for the public – they promised to release the donor list over a year ago, and guess what…that was another WINK, WINK manuever just like the FL and MI agreement, which is now another flip-flop of the losing hillary campaign! what does one need? do you need to get hit over the head by her to see what she ALWAYS does – that is the one thing she does well and does consistently – try to manipulate everything with a spin for her own purpose! yeah, that’s what i want in a president! right! NOT! another dispicable ploy ot postion themselves for the WH re-run! the list just in endless with those two! i have had enuf of their crap! i don’t want to see thier faces or hear their voices ever again, if only that ONE blessing could happen in my remaining lifetime!
I’m amused by how CERTAIN Obama supporters are that Obama and ONLY Obama will crush McCain in the general election. Yes, alot of Obama supporters will either stay home or vote for McCain if Clinton gets the nomination. But polls indicate that a number of Clinton supporters will do the same if Obama gets the nomination. That’s one reason NJ is in play if Obama wins the nomination, but not if Clinton does. Furthermore, according to Pew: Clinton has a tighter hold on the Democratic base than Obama in a matchup with McCain. Obama’s lead over McCain in that poll comes from Independents – not the Democratic base. One could argue that McCain would do a better job pulling independents away from Obama than he would do pulling Democrats away from Clinton.
Plus, like I said before: If an Obama win is such a slamdunk against McCain and Clinton is CLEARLY a loser candidate vs. McCain: Why isn’t there a bigger difference in the matchups?
RCP has Obama edging McCain by 3.9% and McCain edging Hillary by .8%. Hardly a substantial difference.
For all those guys who are into Math and statistics than you’ll believe the numbers on wether the media has been equally fair on Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.
Here are the results of an indie study of the media conducted by Center for Media and Public Affairs. Here is the link:
http://www.cmpa.com/election%20news%202_1_08.htm
The summary of the facts:
- From Dec 16 through Jan 27 five out of six on-air evaluations of Obama (84%) have been favorable, compared to a bare majority (51%) of evaluations of Mrs. Clinton.
-The gap in good press has widened since the New Hampshire primary, with Clinton dropping to 47% positive comments and Obama holding steady at 83% positive. NBC’s coverage has been the most critical of Clinton – nearly 2 to 1 negative (36% positive and to 64% negative)
-FOX’s and CBS coverage of Hillary Clinton was evenly balanced – 50% positive and 50% negative comments
-The study is based on a scientific content analysis of 765 election news stories (22 hours 15 minutes of airtime) that aired on the flagship evening news shows on ABC, CBS, NBC and FOX (from December 16, 2007 through January 27, 2008.
Who would thought that Fox and CBS would be the most objective?
OBAMA OR McCAIN! that’s a promise from me to you!
H L Walter,
I can only agree!
Although I prefer Barack 100x over Hillary, I would still vote for her over McCain. I don’t even think I like her more than McCain, but when I make my vote, I always have a look and ask myself FIRST: What party is this guy/lady in? What has this party accomplished over the last few years, when they were in charge? Do I want more of that? Certainly not so I simply can’t vote for A Republican. It’s that simple…
well wjp, cast your vote for obama! you evidently hate hillary no matter who is running against her. maybe if hitler rose from the grave you would go with him, huh?
rather than voting for her
DON’T FORGET FL,
Well, the Clintons, you never know…(;
But seriously, I don’t see a reason why it should…
with that response, i end my attempted rapport with you! you are not only stupid, you are downright pathetically wrong on all counts! good night, and good luck with hitlery! you really need it!
this is the biggest fairy tale of all: the idea that Hillary Clinton is not favored by the media is just non-sense. she never won a state in which she had not been ahead by double digits two weeks prior to the actual polls,yet the media would talk about come-back kid; she claims to be ready on day one to be president, yet she could not maintain a disciplined campaign staff with loyal friends; she claims to be an expert on economic matters, yet she could not balance the budget of her campaign; she forces obama to talk about rezko, done deal, yet she would not release her tax-returns; she claims to be a hands-on manager, yet the media does not force her to take personal responsibility for the failures and missteps of her campaign; she claims to be an expert on national security due to her seat on the armed forces committee, yet she had failed to read a critical pre-war report that had put doubt on the main rationale for the iraqi invasion; she would trash obama for rezco, yet the media would completely ignore norman hsu; she would claim to stand for women, yet she would take money from a company with a bad reputation of sexual harassment against women; she would claim to be authentic, yet there is a different hillary everyday on tv; she would claim to be running for the democratic party, yet her recent condescending comments about obama have come out as if she were a running mate for mccain; she would dismiss obama’s wins in red states, yet she would make texas the reddest state of all her firewall; and we are sitting here talking about media bias!!!
wake up people, she is intent on destroying the democratic party; she does not care about the party, what she cares about is for her to keep her promise that she and her husband both become presidents of the united states.
the media does not favor her, yet they are looking at her single-digit lead in ohio as momentum even though her lead there has been dwindling so bad that it moved from a solid 22-point to just 4 points in less than two weeks.
most of the states that she won have had substantial early voting weeks before the actual polling date, yet the media would call them victories that had defied the polls.
come on people, give me a break!!!
wjp
That is like saying if I can’t have Bambi, I’ll vote for Attilla the Hun!
I don’t trust those guys anymore…they are really dangerous. Remember Cheney and the shotgun. Keep them away from the big red button!
james,
Respect – you hit the nail on the head! Bullseye!
james:
You obviously think Clinton is favored by the press. Do you think Obama is favored less, more or about the same?
hillary has been out spent 2-3 to 1 in ads and obama has not answered 1 question on his connection to some pretty shady characters.
does anybody think for a minute that the leaked memo from the canadian government could be a ploy intended to influence the primary outcome? does any of you guys think for a minute why rush Limbaugh is pushing texas republicans to vote for hillary?
well i was just watching fox news and anne colter was there, she is a conservative rep and she just told hanity and combs that if it was mccain vs hillary in the general she would vote for hillary. wow
Hillary is about to destroy the party….. If she wins only by a small margin it will show that her negative campaign efforts worked. She’s queing up the GOP attack strategy for the GOP by starting months early. Obama will have no choice but to counter. Hillary has PLENTY of negative laundry yet to be “vetted” If I were Obama, I’d drop the A-bombs on her. She deserves it. Hillary IS NOT EXPERIENCED and LACKS JUDGMENT…period. Obama while new has judgment. Hillary has been grasping for power her whole life. What she had to do with New York before she moved there just to get a senate seat is beyond me. I guess people forget about the Whitehouse Travel scandal during the Clinton years and whitewater. Clinton was all up in that syat.
obama admitted there was a meeting between his top aid and a canadian official. HE ADMITTED IT!
Embassy responds
The Canadian Embassy in Washington issued a statement on Monday saying its envoys “regularly contact those involved in all of the Presidential campaigns and, periodically, report on these contacts to interested officials.”
The statement went on to say that in the recent report from the Consulate General in Chicago, “there was no intention to convey, in any way, that Senator Obama and his campaign team were taking a different position in public from views expressed in private, including about NAFTA.
“We deeply regret any inference that may have been drawn to that effect.”
Brian, ‘if she wins only by a small margin it will show that her negative campaign efforts worked’ – well, maybe to win these two or three primaries – but the small margin won’t bring her the nomination. Too little too late…
Get this in your skull….. THERE IS NO WAY……..NONE……… That Hillary can win in the general election. She goes in with a 40% unfavorable rating from the get go. And I assure you that many people that support Obama will be furious as Obama will have the delegate lead going into the convention.
brian, so what you think she should just give up. well there is alot of ppl that want there vote to count so why is it any better for you vote to count rather than mine. she still has a very real chance to win just like obama so i think we should let democracy play out. republicans have destroyed this country for seven yrs there is nothing they can say or do to keep the wh for 4 more years. i want change, but i want substance in my change, i want universal healthcare…for all not just me. i know hillary has fought in the past for it and this time she will do it. she has been endorse by 30 flag generals who thinks she can be strong(2 generals that was joint chiefs of staffs)
so hillary is gonna kill us, are you saying that if obama doesn’t win they will not show up because they are angry the american people spoke and voted for hillary. do you think obama shares that same feeling. he talks about hope and change but his supporters would rather not vote and keep the same rep in the wh for 4 more years.
hl, then why the lie about the meeting then. why did he go a week saying there was no meeting? suspisious
Ok, since when has Obama not been able to take a punch? If anything, she has thrown every punch at him, many below the belt. If everyone is worried that the GOP will be running a smear campaign, Obama is perfect. He has no history or dirt to be thrown back at him, Hillary on the other hand? She’s been in the system for forever.
I just don’t get how year after year people say ‘I wish politicians came along who weren’t entrenched in washington and who didn’t use negativity in their arguments against opponents.’ Yet when one comes along in the form of Obama, we find every reason to say it’s false hope. So Obama should try to tell us what he is going to do with something other than words? I thought the whole point of using words was to say what you were going to do, may I suggest interpretive dance? Sign Language? A series of drawings?
lets look at it like this…..if you was a boss and some1 brought you a eliquent note as opposed to a resume. would you hire him?
A ploy? Nope. Obama doesn’t have any more integrity than Hillary. He’s a calculating and smooth political operator – not unlike her husband. He’s been known to say one thing to one audience and then say something else to another audience (e.g., gun rights, gay marriage, NAFTA, etc.) He’s already backing out of his committment to take public financing in the fall. He’s shown a willingness to distort people’s comments just like Hillary distorted his Reagan comment (e.g., McCain’s 100 years in Iraq comment. Unless Obama is planning to pull troops out of Germany and Japan than he really shouldn’t have an issue with McCain’s statement.) Plus I’ll never forget how he took advantage of the racial insensitivities she pricked with her totally innocuous LBJ vs. MLK comment. That was the first time I realized how shrewd and calculating his campaign was. Then I started reading up on his advisors like David Axelrod. (I had to since the worthless mainstream media abdicated their role in this campaign.) That was my “A Ha moment with Barry Obama.
RE: Hillary losing the general election but Obama winning it.
Explain to my why Obama, with his immaculate press coverage, his so called perfect judgment (there’s no proof of his superior judgment by the way), his powerful vision that has people fainting and trembling with anticipation isn’t beating an geriatric pro-Iraq war Republican like McCan more handily than he is
Explain to me why Obama is up 3.9% against McCain while big, bad Hillary Clinton, destroyer of the Democratic party and source of all evil everywhere is only losing to McCain by .8%?
You Obama people need to expand beyond the Obama propaganda machine (i.e, MSNBC, NBC. CNN) and look at the real facts. Obama is NOT a significantly better candidate in the fall than Clinton. As pissed off as you might be at Hillary’s tactics, there are almost as many Hillary people pissed off at Obama.
Everytime you trash Hillary and Bill Clinton you’re alienating someone that Obama needs in the fall. It’s as simple as that. And seriously: Get over yourselves. Obama ain’t a saint and Hillary isn’t evil. They’re both tough as nails politicians. (God. I’m not sure why I bothered to write that since I can’t bring myself to vote for either of those jokers. lol)
She “ready from day one” but “is just getting warmed up.”
Hillary Clinton, who entered his race with every possible advantage,
has run the most disorganized and inept campaign ever.
Her campaign is the most important part of her resume.
She would be a lousy nominee and a worse President.
If Hillary is able to stay alive on Tuesday, she just might be able to take it yet. I would say if she can at least win Ohio (which looks likely) she can justify her presence. Post March 4 sets up well for her, as the next primary isn’t until April 22 in Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania is her type of state, second oldest population in the nation, at the national average for black population, not that many latte liberals, a massive contingent of blue collar Dems who aren’t exactly the target audience for “Yes we can” YouTube videos. As a Pennsylvanian, I cannot see many of the Dems I know voting for Obama. There are no people like Obama where I am from. Dems would have an easier time identifying with Hillary. If she stays in, she’ll win Pennsylvania. And that could set up a battle for superdelegates…
murphy, rezko was not much under a dark clout when the deal was done. the federal government looked at obama, but concluded that there was nothing criminal in obama’s relationship with rezko; hillary got donations from a convicted fellon, a guy who is barred from practicing law, but the media somehow ignores it; mccain made a man who has been under federal investigation for years national co-chairman of his campaign, yet one one is talking about such lapse of judgment; hillary is hailed as a formidable candidate, yet she has never won a primary before in her senate races; everything was made just for her to walk through; the media never talked about the fact that hillary never faced a formidable opponent prior to obama. the media is not talking about how shortsighted has the hillary campaign been.
if there was something behind the rezko issue, hillary would have used it already; it is sad to see that Americans may fall for it. the nato oversights are supposed to be done by the foreign relations committee, then sent to the subcommittee headed by obama.
does it ever occur to you that with regard to pakistan, obama has been right, and that hillary has been wrong? the cia has just bombed part of pakistan where alqueda is known to maintain their base.
tell me about the great legislative accomplishments of hillary?
i know that obama succeeded in passing healthcare reform in illinois whereas hillary has failed to do the same; i know that obama helped pass law to secure loose nuclear weapons; i also know that obama sponsored bills to make the details of all awarded government contracts available online ;
let me tell you something, voting present is not cowardice, it is cautiousness. in some cases, saying no or yes is inappropriate. for instance, some questions in medical forms are sometimes inapplicable. if you are a male, and a question says how often do you have your period, can a man answer that? similarly, sometimes, one likes one part of a bill and disagrees on another part of the bill. in that case voting yes or no would do one no justice.
had hillary voted present on the iraq resolution, that should have given her enough time to read the entire report before making a decision; had hillary voted present on the patriotic act, that should have given her enough time to read the unlimited powers that the proposal would give to president bush; had hillary learned from past mistakes, she would not have given president bush a second benefit of the doubt when it came to the iranian republican guard;
yes, the media has been favoring hillary contrary to what many people erroneously assume; how many people do you see talking about the fact that in california half of the votes were already cast just days after clinton’s win in new hampshire?
have the media told you that obama courageously went and fought where he was not expected to win? did obama skip nevada to go and campaign in south carolina? did obama try to lower expectations by skipping nevada? did obama say, since i am not doing too well with hispanics, let me skip nevada so as to undermine clinton’s victory? no, as a courageous man, obama went and fought for every vote regardless of polls. that kind of courage is stronger than words, and stronger than focus groups!!!
no one here is claiming obama to be saint. does he make mistakes? of course, he is human, and he is a politician; but what i know is that he is much more honest than what we have seen so far. he has better judgment, and willing to take a stand for what is right; when he denounced the iraqi war, he did that in the fervent patriotism of post-september-11. that was a risk; and obama did that when he was trailing in the senatorial race well before the scandal about his opponent’s abusive behavior.
that is courage and judgment!!!!!
http://www.issues2000.org/Senate/Barack_Obama.htm this has obamas voting record
Should the Clintons steal the election by their smear tactics and lies, to be sure it will be a shortlived victory. It will not be business as usual, where those who voted for the Obama Movement will then embrace Hilary, “for the sake of the party” or for the sake of beating the Republicans. This is not a threat but a promise based on the quiet,ever increasing rumblings, across the Country beginning after New Hampshire. Many of us, are simply tired of the long season of Bush/Clinton. I hope that Texas, Ohio, Vermont and Rhode Island voters agree to try Obama. His brillance together with the team of advisers who will want to work with him, in the best interest of the Country, spells a brighter day…Progress…Change that will improve American lives and reestablish America’s standing in the world.
On another note: At the White House – It is 3 A.M. I would want Barack Obama to answer the “red ” phone. He is consistent, calm, and will make the best judgment the first time. If it were Hilary Clinton’s White House, I would be scared out of my boots, not knowing which Hilary would emerge. We have seen such erratic conduct from her on the campaign trail and during the debates.
Moonyene S. Jackson
did you remember the clinton years?
and we are talking about scandals, and shady deals!!!
it is ironic that the clintons are now lecturing others on bad associations.
do you how many individuals from the clinton administration that went straight to prison?
Obama is a decent guy. He may still need experience to be qualified for the presidency, but Hillary doesn’t have that much more experience, unless you credit her with half of Bill’s legacy
(Which I do not.)
The presidency is at the moment coming down to 3 senators:
An amazing speaker with little legislative experience.
An ex war hero who angers his own party with some of his more moderate views
A nasty old political hack who acts as though it is “her turn” to be president.
Really, if you were going to eliminate one of the above for the good of the nation it would have to be the last one.
This shouldn’t be about a “woman’s turn” or an “African American’s turn”. (I’m Mexican and we are still waiting for our turn!) It should be about who will make the best president.
Choose wisely.
he might have made a speech about it, but he was not prevy to the intelligent report that the sen hillary bidden and dodd was who all voted for it. have you ever bought a used car (as is)? the dealer tells ya oh it is in great condition, you even take it to a mechanic(colin powell) and he makes the case it “runs great”. 3 months later it is clicking and running hot but too late you was already sold on the fact it runs great. same thing she was sold on the authorization by our cia, colin powell, and our military intelligence. but it is easy to say i wouldn’t have voted for it if he wasn’t in the loop. she wouldn’t have went to war, bush did! get over it! use something else.
James:
I’m sorry, but I’m unimpressed with your examples of Obama’s courage. Fighting for votes in Nevada? That’s totally in his own best interest. Making a speech against the Iraq war as an Illinois state senator? Eh. It’s not like he was in the state senate of Texas or another extremely conservative state. Obama has never suffered by taking a political risk. He is extremely calculating. That makes him an excellent politician. But I don’t see alot of evidence of his courage, superior judgment or superior honesty.
Compare Obama to McCain. Now THAT man has courage – and I’m not talking about his time as a POW. McCain stuck his neck out on more risky issues than Obama could dream of: Immigration, Campaign Finance Reform, the Gang of 14, etc. All of these were bipartisan in nature and all them cost McCain dearly with the hardcore rightwing base of his own party. (Global warming is another area where McCain bucks the party line at his own risk.) Hell, the immigration issue ALONE almost cost McCain the Republican nomination. Is he right all the time? Not in my opinion. But neither is Obama. But if you want to argue who has courage and guts, then McCain wipes the floor with Obama. He also wipes the floor with Obama as far as real bipartisan achievement goes.
RE: Tony Rezko. If you honestly think that Obama’s longstanding relationship with Mr. Rezko and his ties to the Chicago political machine have been fairly scrutinized by the mainstream press than I’m not sure WHAT to say to you. We must be living on completely different planets. In constrast, McCain recieved LOTS of scrutiny over his ties with lobbyists. No one has found evidence of where McCain’s judgment has been compromised in the least. Furthermore, the NYT did a front page, innuendo laden, fact deficient, insinuation hit job on McCain. In contrast, nary a peep about Obama and Rezko in the NYT (or any national TV news either). Maybe Obama is just a naive little soul that didn’t know and had nothing to do with Tony Rezko’s shady, political fixings. Maybe. But shouldn’t the press INVESTIGATE and verify that? They won’t.
The thing I despise MOST about Obama’s campaign isn’t even Obama. It’s the way the press has wrapped him in this politically correct cocoon that makes it difficult for anyone to question him, his judgment, his ties, etc. without being accused of being racist. (By the way, my biggest fear of an Obama presidency is that it’ll harm political discourse. I think his super liberal presidency will be more facist than George W. Bush’s could EVER be.)
RE: Hillary Clinton. I won’t defend her because I don’t think she’s better than Obama.
very interesting comments murphy
What about Hilary’s tax return not made available to the press? Should Hillary get the nomination, Obama should run as an independent if not, after what Hillary has done in the last couple of weeks, I’d rather vote for McCain, and so will millions of democrats.
“This shouldn’t be about a “woman’s turn” or an “African American’s turn”. (I’m Mexican and we are still waiting for our turn!) It should be about who will make the best president.”
ITA Michael.
By the way, don’t forget George W. Bush’s candidacy in 2000:
Remember how he promisted to be a UNITER?
Remember how everyone looked past his lack of foreign policy experience and said “It’ll be OK. He’ll have good advisors”.
Well look what the Cheney (because that’s who I think is the power from behind the throne) presidency gave us.
If nothing else, George W. Bush’s presidency taught us that we better learn who the inexperienced candidate’s ADVISORS are.
By the way, I’m still looking for an example of Obama’s superior judgment. Something more than opposing the war from the floor of midwestern state senate. Hell, I opposed the war too. That doesn’t mean I have better judgment than McCain or Clinton. And don’t forget, Obama didn’t even have ACCESS to NIE. Who knows how he would’ve voted if he HAD read it. Especially given the fact that the Bush administration cherry picked the intelligence information to get a pre-determined conclusion.
Barack Obama on Health Care
Click here for 39 full quotes on Health Care OR background on Health Care.
FactCheck: Reducing obesity would save $18B, not $1T. (Dec 2007)
Being poor in this country is hazardous to your health. (Dec 2007)
Problem isn’t mandating coverage, but affording it. (Nov 2007)
(FactCheck: Coverage plan might leave 8.5 million uninsured. (Nov 2007))
Tackle insurance companies on reimbursement system. (Oct 2007)
Help young people deal with the cost of medical education. (Oct 2007)
Government healthcare like members of Congress have. (Sep 2007)
Morally wrong that terminally ill must consider money. (Sep 2007)
FactCheck: Correct that insurance lobbying cost $1B. (Sep 2007)
National smoking bans only after trying local bans. (Sep 2007)
Increase competition in the insurance and drug markets. (Aug 2007)
National Health Insurance Exchange for private coverage. (Aug 2007)
Reform failed in ’90s because of drug company lobbying. (Jul 2007)
Health plan cuts typical family’s premium by $2,500 a year. (Jun 2007)
Give people the choice to buy affordable health care. (Jun 2007)
Take on insurance companies; drive down health care costs. (Jun 2007)
National insurance pool & catastrophic insurance. (Apr 2007)
Employers are going to have to pay or play. (Mar 2007)
Need political will to accomplish universal coverage. (Mar 2007)
Address minority health needs by more coverage & targeting. (Mar 2007)
Healthcare system is broken without lifetime employment. (Oct 2006)
The market alone can’t solve our health-care woes. (Oct 2006)
Health care tied to balancing costs and taxes nation wide. (Jun 2006)
Allowing seniors to bulk purchase will save taxpayers’ money. (Oct 2004)
Crises happen in our lives and healthcare is necessary. (Oct 2004)
Believes health care is a right, not a privilege for the few. (Sep 2004)
Allow prescription drug re-importation. (May 2004)
Will expand health coverage & allow meds to be re-imported. (May 2004)
Ensure access to basic care. (Jul 1998)
and he says his healthcare doesn’t leave any1 out! this came from http://www.issues2000.org/Senate/Barack_Obama.htm
what has hillary done the last couple of weeks?NIEDDU it is the press finally asking about obama
Back and forth, back and forth, all these opinions…. SHUT UP AND VOTE FOR WHO YOU LIKE. IF SENATOR CLINTON WINS we probably will have some improvement, if Bill helps, but politics will remain in the same old gridlock, nothing changing, and the american people alienated, yes, we know what we will get with Hilliary. If SENATOR OBAMA WINS we dont know what he will do, but that doesn’ t mean he wont be a good President. Clearly OBAMA IS the reson for such a turnout and that says something. It’s actually more exciting to see what kind of President he will be. All the President’s we’ve had can be scrutinized, so just vote for who you like and let’s move on.
i agree micheal!!!!
hillary 08 12 if not……obama 08 12
see thats how a true dem would vote;)
I am grateful to Hillary Clinton for her work and support of The Family Act during Bill Clinton’s presidency. I held onto my job and benefits during terminal illnesses of my mother and father. I hope Clinton wins the nomination because she is dedicated and genuine, with a true love for America and its citizens. Is anyone really listening? Obama talks in circles and says nothing…he bores me. Think back to the last debate (and this one). They ask Clinton all the questions first. Then Obama answers: “I agree with everything Hillary just said”, “This is another area in which I agree with Hillary”, “Hillary and I aren’t that far apart on this issue”. This is easier than a xerox – he doesn’t even need the machine! I actually remember another time the media romanced a candidate that promised hope, trust and change…Jimmy Carter. Like many, I consider Carter to be one of the worst presidents of the past century. He also had one of the highest presidential I.Q.’s. Hmmm… why does it always seem that the perceived genius wearing the knights shining armor actually turns out to be the village idiot? For me, Hillary Clinton is the real hope. Men might joke she can iron their shirt, but like many strong women, Clinton won’t be afraid as she says, “to roll up” her shirt sleeves and start mopping up the mess. Obama will be too busy giving his rhetorical speeches…like Jimmy Carter…and those speeches will become very old, very quick.
when that phone is picked up, the president does not just make a decision; he or she has to talk with joints chief of staff, secretary of defense and many others; if hillary intends to just pick up the phone and make a hasty decision, then we are in deep trouble.
also, with all her foreign policy experience, her harsh criticism of the russian elections were unwarranted. we do not need a second cold war here. alienating russia is not in our advantage.
we have enough friction with the russians for us to publicly caricature their elections.
i do not see the level of experience of which hillary is boasting; for god’s sake, is she going to pull the biggest political con-job in history after 11 losses? i doubt it!!! but since they are known as very good in this area, they might pull it despite my displeasure..
can the clintons actually drag the fight all the way to the convention for the sake of personal gains or pride?
you are so right arizona!
The campaign should go on after TX and OH if Hillary wins either of the 2 states. It is unAmerican to shut out the voices of PA and other states’s primaries and causcus. Sometimes I wonder if the Press or the political pundits who are the ones that actually choosing our next Democratic presidential nominee. I feel dizzy with all of the spins from the news network when in fact, after 20 millions votes casted (including those of FL and MI) there are less than 350 votes differences in favor of Barack. He has the momentum but hardly the mandate! We need to finish the extraordinary presidential election campaign season… Let’s everyone’s voice being heard!
Shrillary or Obysmal vs. McShamnesty.
This is what it has come to in this country. AMERICANS have nowhere to go.
I miss Fred.
Hail To Obama!
Pundits, critics alike “change is here” deal with it!!
signed: Moving on….
I would give the orginality and creativity of the 3AM ad to the Clinton’s campaign. Obama’s campaign is running on changes but actually has gone out of its way to copy the speeches and now… copying the ad creativity from the Clinton’s camp. It is so easy when you are not the one who comes up with the idea as it is easy to answer questions in the debates when you are in second position to address the issue.
I hope Hillary will win TX and OH to quiet her critics and the Press. I also hope she will nominate Bill for the VP post so that my bumper sticker can say Clinton-Clinton
That would be one for the history book! You go girl!
Oh Yeah! CLINTON-CLINTON would be the sticker to have for the convention!
1. How come no one call on Obama to fold his campaign when he was trailing Hillary with 200+ delegate count earlier in this contest? Hmmmmm…..
2. Why people posed the question of super-delegate representation on behalf of their constituents to Hillary instead to Senators John Kerry and Edward Kenedy when Massachusset voted for Hillary? Hmmmmm…..
3. Why PA and other states’s votes should not be included in the tally of the delegate counts when no one has reached the requirement of 2025? Hmmm……
Mail-in ballots would be the decisive factor in tomorrow election. Like CA, many people have voted early with their mails in TX. It would be interesting to watch the early returns when they release the results of the mail in ballots. If they were mailed early enough, then advantages should be for Hillary since she has a commanding lead early on down in the lone star state.
Jennifer,
What we’ve learned from Hillary’s campaign is, if you post your stories under J. Rubin, you’ll get more traction.
yes, hillary appears poised to win in ohio and texas is dead close.
this is very sad news for democrats who are now giving mccain at least 2 months now to regroup while hillary continues to attack obama who, despite these attacks, will still inevitably be the nominee.
once again democrats self destruct.
Many of the pro-Hillary comments here sound so similar (is there some ‘theme of the day’ that gets passed along?), or verge on ‘spiritual experience’ language … which is truly new to me.
Objectively speaking: Bill has touted Hillary’s intelligence. So it’s not the most politick thing to say that smart people (the allusion was to Carter, and maybe Obama) make bad presidents.
As for ‘copying’ speeches et al – both Hillary and Obama have been borrowing themes, either as ‘whatever works,’ or in response to issues raised. (After all, they’re not just talking to themselves or producing original artwork: There’s some dialogue involved! ‘Originality’ isn’t necessarily the point, and could even be counterproductive.) Similarly, Obama’s recent ad didn’t ‘copy’ Hillary’s, but responded to it – just as Hillary has responded to Obama’s challenges.
Of growing interest: November, and McCain. Many legit commentators (not just partisan p.r.-spinners) now say that McC “needs” Hillary-as-nominee. So these are cliffhangers for the GOP as well.
Addendum: Some friends and I noted that numerous (and especially anonymous) boards, blogs, etc., are knee-deep in Clinton-fan posts — often with same questions, “hmmmmms,” phrases being “punched,” near-immediate responses to anti-Hillary or pro-Obama posts, testimonials, specific form of innuendo, verbatim Obama-slamming, etc. It’s unique to Clinton: No other candidate, in either party, has this level of synchronized widespread blog-”spin” going on. (OK, maybe Ron Paul … but that’s another plane of existence.)
Others also don’t pitch the rosiest possible view (no matter what), as pro-Hillary people do. That constant rosiness is unusual – and a bit startling, as when it contradicts heaps of stats, polls, and commentary from numerous-and-varied sources.
The rosiness is admirable, but the whole “spin” thing can be annoying for serious news-junkies: When the same things pop up all over, they all look like skippable deja-vu, even if they aren’t.
Obama has no judgment-he guessed right on the war.
Besides that what is there to the man-not much.
Don’t you have to stab a vampiress in the heart to kill.
The press is against Hillary? The press, according to Hillary and Bill, have always been against them. If she wins we will have to listen to this “the press is against me” crap for 4 more years. eeee god. I really cannot take it.
At least she and bill have drummed up some “scandals” to keep obama at bay–god knows they need to keep Rovian politics alive and well.
Personally all of this Caucus and debate stuff is giving me a big headache!
Maybe if she had coming out fighting in the beginning, the outcome would have been different and the race would not boil down to TX & OH. The two do or die states for Hillary.
I’m hoping Hil throws in the towel even if she wins by a small margin. I can’t take another debate, no more campaign smearing within the party, no more talking about the red phone or who got more experience! All this time and money needs to go against the clear Republican candidate McCain!!! If Hillary keeps holding the party hostage, McCain will have a clear win come November!!
Neither John McCain or Hillary Clinton wear the flag lapel pin, either. Enough, I’m sick of hearing about the stupid pin. If wearing a flag lapel pin made people patriotic, military recruiters would be forcing them on people right now.
“Flag Pins are for Losers” link: http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/03/04/flag_pins/
I have no issue with people questioning Obama, and some things like his relationship with Rezco (which I think he’s explained pretty well) and the fuzzy NAFTA/Canada issue deserve tp be scrutinized. Scrutinizing his patriotism, however, is uncalled for and unjustified.
Obama has not received a free ride from the press. In just the last week, he’s been taking shots from Clinton, McCain, and Bush. Everyone who judges Obama because of his association with Rezco should also research the Keating Five, McCain’s other issues with lobbyists, or any of the number of scandals Clinton’s been involved with (Travelgate, Pardongate, Whitewater, Vince Foster records)?
Hillary’s minions and spin are right out of the Bush-Rove playbook. Among other things:
– thump away at nonissues, so others won’t notice YOUR real issues
– throw shade on opponent via catch-phrases and subliminals, and hope that the spam-grafitti will stick
– spin it so that YOU are the sad “victim” … even if you’re the Establishment and/or have unfairly trashed the other guy
– coordinate it all, so that followers push the the same language and (non)issues like a mantra.
And by pushing the slur that Obama’s followers are mindless or mind-controlled, the Hill-bots try to deflect attention from their own “issue”: The ‘bots are stupefyingly militant/emotive, to a “she walks on water” extent. (Much of their stuff sounds more like a giant “OMG!”-type girl-crush than an adult campaign.)
Initially, I was on the fence re Hill-Obama. After a good hard in-depth look at issues, and at the sleazebag Hill campaign, and after revewing Hill’s record and her “experience,” there is no way on earth that I’d back her.
And a lot of other Jane-and-Joe-Average types have kept tabs on this stuff, and have come to the same conclusions. Some of us remember – all too well — the Clintons’ party disloyalty, and the fact that we or our interest groups got shafted by Bill C (whose admin accounts for much of HC’s vaunted experience, since she’s 60 and has held only one late-life elective office).
And the fact that we EXPECT dirty tricks, word games, snark/shark attacks and shape-shifting from HC tells us something right off. Message: No more dynasties; no more Roving; go away.
OK Bill let’s see you run for President and see how many votes you get!
she did win texas, ohio & RI so there u hillary haters, u go girl we still believe*