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For Goldstone’s Defenders, Facts Never Matter

I clicked over from Jen’s link to Matthew Yglesias’s exoneration of Richard Goldstone from his apartheid past and I found, as expected, the confused thinking that is so typical of a leader of the Juicebox Mafia. People hate the Goldstone Report, he says, because it’s an evenhanded application of “international humanitarian law,” and the critics of Goldstone want nothing to do with evenhandedness:

Their point of view is that, in essence, you ought to look at a conflict, identify who the bad guys is (the Taliban rather than the U.S., Hamas rather than Israel), and focus your ire on the bad guy instead of nitpicking at the good guy’s conduct.

But then there are the pro-Israel liberals. They’re in a bind because they want to defend Israel, but Israel has become a serial human-rights offender. So they’ve created a conspiracy theory:

… a lot of these people have tried to work out a not-so-plausible alternative view in which international humanitarian law is a good thing, but Israel just so happens to continually be victimized by sundry biased and/or unsavory figures. The simple fact of the matter is that adhering to international humanitarian law makes it very difficult to wage war, which I think is a good thing but many people disagree with that.

It’s hard to overstate the grotesque distortion of the other side’s arguments here.

The problem with “international humanitarian law,” according to Goldstone critics, is not that Western armies are held accountable for their moral performance. It is that the Goldstones and Human Rights Watches of this world have built an industry dedicated to advancing the tendentious and implausible case that such armies are in constant violation of these standards, when a great deal of evidence suggests otherwise. This faction refuses to acknowledge the central problem in asymmetric conflicts: groups like Hamas have designed a military strategy that exploits the commitment of the other side to humanitarian principles. This is why Hamas embeds its military infrastructure in civilian areas and fights from civilian populations and why its combatants do not wear uniforms. The whole point is to place the Western military in a dilemma: fight and be forced to kill civilians (and reap the condemnations of the “human-rights” community), or don’t fight and lose. As Yglesias admits, he would rather that wars simply weren’t fought. This is a nice sentiment coming from someone whose major daily physical danger is crossing the street to go to a coffee shop.

And the “not so plausible” view that Israel is victimized by “biased and unsavory” activists is in fact highly plausible and thoroughly documented. Yglesias has been an aggressive defender of Human Rights Watch, but has said nothing about the blockbuster New Republic piece that came out a couple of weeks ago, documenting the prominence in the organization of anti-Israel radicals who wage a PR war on Israel under the guise of human-rights activism. And as far as the report itself is concerned, dozens of critiques of its legal reasoning and evidentiary bias have been produced, of which Yglesias is clearly ignorant. A list of them is here.

One thing that unites Goldstone’s defenders is their refusal to deal honestly with any of the careful and thorough critiques of the report. It’s easier to speak about conspiracy theories and indulge in self-delusion.

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0 Responses to “For Goldstone’s Defenders, Facts Never Matter”

  1. LOL says:

    Jennifer Rubin is a complete idiot.

  2. Bill Carson says:

    Write what you will but just remember that ANYONE who fails to vote for Obama is guilty of racism! No further evidence is needed other than proof of a non-Obama vote.

  3. Mike Field says:

    Michelle Obama did job one pretty well, which was to convince everyone that she is not Hillary Clinton, that she really did begin life as the girl next door or the girl down the street, whose dad works for the water department. In doing that she put an end to any residual thoughts anyone might have had of a staging a “Hillary” rebellion at the convention. Hillary Clinton just never convinced anyone that she had ever been the the girl next door or the girl down the street, nor has she ever been that. After that, the platitudes just piled up and up till she didn’t sound any different than Geraldine Ferraro had sounded in 1984. Say one thing for the Democrats, you can punish them and punish them and they just don’t yield an inch in their ever-divisive agenda. Maybe the donkey is their appropriate symbol.

  4. Cranky Centrist says:

    Only the Democrats could lose in a year tailor-made for Democratic victory. Their complete meltdown is good, because the thought of Obama-Pelosi-Reid in complete control of the country is…. terrifying.

  5. The Last LOL says:

    Yeah, that’s smart–we Obama backers should just keep on slamming HRC’s backers. After all, you know how easily the Cintons cave in anyway, not to mention the Republicans. Think about it– do you really want to “go it alone” against the Republicans this November? I mean, seriously–think about it–if you were a gambler, well, back in 2004, would ever dreamed of taking bet in 2008 that pitted a black man (no matter how charismatic) + Joe Biden against a dream team combination of Clintonite’s + Republicans? Well, that’s the reality you’re reinforcing, and it’s just guaranteeing our doom. Granted, I feel your pain, but a huge part of politics in the real world has always been about working with people who don’t share your perspective. And if we Obama fans can’t work with HRC fans (or media writers sympathetic to her), or even worse, the best we can do is insult them, then why the heck are we backing this guy who’s greatest virtue is supposed to be that he’ll not only reach out to others unlike himself, but that he can lead others to do so? Can’t you see if he can’t lead his flock to co-exist with Hillary’s that it helps to completely undermine his credibility? In other words, you’re behavior undermines Obama’s claims. Isn’t such partisanship only worthy of a conservative talk show host?

  6. Porchnik says:

    And if Obama did pick Hillary for his VP, you can be sure the same rightwingers second guessing him now would be calling that the greatest blunder of his campaign, an ‘admission of weakness,’ an ‘act of desperation,’ blah, blah, blah. These entirely predictable talking points write themselves.

    Also, the media-driven myth of the disgruntled Hillary voter going over to McCain is just a juiced up subplot for pundits too lazy or unimaginative to offer real insight. I voted for Hillary in the primaries, as did most of my family and friends, and none of us are so stupid that we’ll vote for Bush/McCain.

  7. Seven Machos says:

    Will the Obamers really just try to rush headlong into the presidency while purposefully angering those who oppose them and those who even kind of oppose them? Looks that way.

    The more I look at it, the more I really do feel that McCain will win this election and it’s not going to be close.

  8. Johnny Spot On says:

    Michelle was nice and the kids are darling, but this was an empty night for the Democrats. There was no substance. Even Ted Kennedy, while emotional, did little to evoke his family’s history and pass the torch to Obama. Pelosi still had the deer in the headlights look and Obama did his typical non-scripted stuttering. All in all…they’d better hope the Clintons save days 2 and 3.

    At least they have Mr. Keynote himself as a candidate.

  9. Seven Machos says:

    Anyone who bothered to actually read the rightwingers would know that virtually all were terrified of an Obama-Clinton ticket and, when trying to view the choice objectively, concluded that it was Obama’s best move.

  10. Johnny Spot On says:

    Porchnik…

    You may not be stupid enough to vote for Bush/McCain, but you’re clearly stupid enough to buy the line that bush = McCain. Get a clue.

  11. Mark S. says:

    Jennifer is so cynical.

  12. pumavoter says:

    the last LOL had it right. Actually many of us are trying to find a way back to the democratic party. Some of us have with Biden. Personally I really like him and feel that he’s experienced enough for the job. He puts me at ease. I’m waiting to see what position he’ll fill as VP.

    I’m feeling my way back to where I belong. A lot of this depends on those rude, rude Obamabots who can’t stop calling us whiners and complainers. We want someone in there to represent our interests! I can deal with a working class down to earth Biden and his clear ability to navigate through the world. But if the dem party continues to insult us, we’ll have no where else to go but with McCain.

  13. Barry Soetoro says:

    Anybody Barry picks is going to accentuate his inexperience. I mean come on he has no experience at all. Wether it was Joe Biden or even Kaine or Bayh or Clinton, heck even Jesse Jackson Jr has more political experience than Obama. Lets not forget, asside from his experience making deals to benefit himself with campaign funds or spending time giving speaches, or sticking his name on other peoples legislation at the behest of Emil Jones who wanted to make a US Senator, or campaigning, he has no experience actually doing the work.

    I am still shocked that the so called Intellectual Latte Liberals are trying to hand the most important Job in the world to Barrack George W Bush Obama Jr. I mean he is the real third term of Bush. An Inexperienced neophyte who told his base what they wanted to hear to get the nom and is going to make a mess of this country if he gets in. Lets hope the MSM begins to finally vet him now that the rest of the americn public is tuning in to the election. Rezko, Ayers, Wright, Auchi, Jones, So Many scandals and misteps as he leapfrogged his responsibilities and jumped to the next job before his failed performance got out.

    Really poor judgement on the part of the DNC to put this man child up against McCains accomplished record. Well its been a good hollywood production but the fake set pieces are about the come crashing down.

    I expect an electoral landslide in November as McCain takes it. Hopefully the Democrats get the Wake Up call they deserve from this and vet experienced centrists candidates in the future. Liberals Extremists just don’t win. When will they learn.

  14. Ohio Dem says:

    Well this is one hardcore dem who will be voting for McCain in the fall election.
    I want an experienced leader with accomplishments under his belt. I don’t give a rat’s butt about Obama’s “potential” to be a great leader. He has not dont anything other than say “hope” and “change”, two words with very vague meaning.
    If you were going to get brain surgery would you choose the seasoned doctor with a long well-known career under his belt, or the flashy doctor with little experience but a whole lot orf potential for growth.
    This is the future of our country, not a fad. I see people wearing 50 dollar Obama shirts decorated with rhinestones, but if you ask them about Obama they are clueless. All fad’s eventually fade and I don’t want to be left feeling that my president should be placed in the garage with my slap-bracelots, chain wallets, and pet rock’s here in a few years.

  15. hacienda76 says:

    Bill Carson, you are crazy as hell! People can be opposed to Obama for principled reasons, and not be racists. For instance, one might believe that he lacks the experience to be president when compared with McCain’s (or Clinton’s) resume. One might simply disagree with him on issues and his vision for the future. One might not understand his positions, or what “change” means.

    Bill, you are playing a dirty race card game, and ought to be ashamed. People should feel free to vote on principle and not be called racists. I agree with you that SOME people voting against Obama are racist, but if we are to believe Obama’s hypothesis that we live in a post-racial world, then we should also believe that the racists are the exception, not the rule. And, by the way, there are some BLACKS who are voting for McCain. What does that anti-Obama vote make them?

  16. BubbaPragmatist says:

    We have two parties:

  17. Seven Machos says:

    I think possibly that Bill was using sarcasm.

  18. GENE LALOR says:

    FREAK SHOW IN DENVER? DON’T INSULT FREAK SHOWS!Published in August 26th, 2008 | EditPosted by Berlet98 in AMERICAN CULTURE TODAY, OBAMA, POLITICSFor those younguns out there, back in the Dark Ages of the 1950’s and before, circuses and travelling carnivals actually did feature “freak shows” in which unfortunates such as the Bearded Lady, the Tattooed Lady, the World’s Fattest/Tallest/Skinniest/Tiniest Man, the Lizard Man, and other human genetic anomalies as well as animal oddities such as two-headed calves and the like.

    Political Correctness is itself an anomaly and a perversion of common sense but P.C. did prevail in ending such exploitative exhibitions which are now rightly considered an affront to human decency.

    It is with that brief historical perspective in mind that I take exception to Moonbattery.com’s recent article entitled “Denver Freak Show Commences:” http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2008/08/denver_freak_sh.html

    I take great issue with calling freaks the seditionist imbeciles and traitorous fruitcakes who have descended on the beautiful Mile High City like vermin descending on a corpse for the Democrat National Convention.

    That “article” fails to identify the vermin and simply displays misleading pictures such as these:…

    (For the pictures and further elucidation, please see my website, http://genelalor.com/)

  19. BubbaPragmatist says:

    The two party system is very unstatisfying.

    We have the crooked bullies and the well-intentioned (less crooked) weenies. The crooks can run for office better, because they can be dishonest and can ridicule and demagogue in lieu of making reasoned arguments. The weenies scare people; because most voters would prefer leaders who won’t get pushed around.

    Then we have a few folks like Jim Webb and Chuck Hagel, who seem to come from another planet. Unfortunately, they have to choose to join up with the crooked bullies or the weenies in order to participate.

    All of these folks are free to spout any sort of nonsense, and half the electorate will identify with them and act like its profound public policy. This will remain the case no matter what they say or do, unless they do something improper with their private parts; only then do we all deem them too unfit to lead.

    Is this a great system or what?

  20. BubbaPragmatist says:

    Where do people get the idea that McCain is better for foreign policy? He did nothing to help us plan or win the Vietnam War. He has not otherwise figured out how to deal with any other foreign policy issue, other than saying we need to stay in Iraq and saying we need to bomb Iran. The policies he supports have broken our military and nearly bankrupted the country. Every other country knows we are in no position to do anything.

    If anything, we need somebody who can persuade others to join us and can persuade bad guys that its not in their interests to cross us. the two best things i have heard about Obama is that he throws a few elbows in pickup basketball games and he is a very good poker player.

    Can anybody imagine McCain playing poker? Its a hopeless image.

  21. PR says:

    Bill Carson: Thanks so much for your moral clarity.

  22. brian says:

    Obama is going to get crushed in Nov. … Democrats get what they deserve. Someday maybe they will put forward a real candidate.

  23. Seven Machos says:

    Indeed, McCain did nothing to help us plan or win the Vietnam War. And I don’t want to hear about the fact that he was not a political leader or that he was unavoidably detained for much of the time. That’s no excuse.

  24. DMS says:

    Machos, et al, I dont understand why you would mention McCain vis a via Vietnam. He isnt good with foreign policy because he didnt help us plan or win Vietnam? I hope you are being saracastic. Its no excuse that he wasnt a political leader at the time? Then what “excuse” would be acceptable? He was a soldier. A navy pilot. He was in no position to plan or win the Vietnam War 60 years ago. Name me one soldier in the entire history of the USA, or any soldier in the history of the world for that matter, who helped to plan or win a war? Thats a ridiculous point to make. Presidents and generals plan and win wars, not Navy pilots! Its a foolish point to make.

    A great example of McCain’s foreign policy judgement occurred in 1982 or so, when he voted against Ronald Reagan’s plan to send Marines to Beirut, saying that they would only be targets. 3 months later their barracks were bombed and 200+ US Marines were murdered, just as McCain had feared. The guy knows his stuff.

  25. Seven Machos says:

    1. DMS, I was responding to a previous post with sarcasm.

    2. I see that sarcasm doesn’t work very well with some people here.

  26. Porchnik says:

    Funny how all these Hillary backers keep flocking to rightwing discussion boards to aver anonymously they’re voting for McCain. They couldn’t be Republicans in disguise, could they? I voted for Hillary in the primary, and while Obama wasn’t my first choice, I have absolutely no problem voting for him over McCain. Neither do all the other Democrats I know. I keep looking for a real live Hillary supporter who will vote for McCain, but I can’t find one. Oh, right! There’s Debra. That’s 1. Any more “lifelong Democrats” who want to see Bush’s policies continued for another four years?

  27. Ricohoc says:

    If Rove is Bush’s brain, what does that make Biden? LOL

    Come on, Dems. Admit that your guy can’t handle the job so you enlisted the help of one of the greatest plagiarists to get some ideas.

  28. Seven Machos says:

    Karl Rove and Dick Cheney are evil men who are actually running the country. David Axelrod and Joe Biden are trusted advisors who will give valuable guidance regarding policy and the election.

    Please make a note of it.

  29. Di says:

    1. A hurricane could have knocked down the entire convention, and Jennifer Rubin would be saying that the only story was Hillary Clinton. Jen, if you have an agenda, try not to be so transparent and banal about pursuing it. Work on subtlety, dear.
    2. This was not meant to be a substance night. This was a mushy feel-good night. It’s the spoonful of sugar before the medicine goes down. This was supposed to correct the notion that a. The Obamas are elitist b. Nobody knows Obama/He is unknowable c. Michelle Obama is an angry traitor. Michelle Obama deftly and subtly (take notes on the subtlety Jennifer Rubin) addressed each of these challenges. Mission accomplished.
    3. The McCain camp thinks that he got off easy. Wrong. Next to that adorable family and their happy family values, the McCains look old, crass, vulgar and greedy. The Obamas did more damage to the McCains than they know.

  30. Seven Machos says:

    Di — Commentary is a conservative Jewish magazine. Its whole existence is an agenda. Perhaps you have the magazine confused with the mainstream media, which, of course, has no agenda.

  31. jack says:

    —the fact is that the ideas obama highlighted were great—but it is now becoming evident that obama the person has little to do with the ideas everyone loved to hear about—reality is sinking in—and who wants to go back to the tax rates of the pre regan era–no one believes that the government will spend their money in a smarter way than they will–it is easy for people in the top 1% bracket to talk about discontinuing bush’s tax cuts–it won’t really hurt them—but for the majority of the public it will hurt–and there is no proof that the tax revenue collected will actually help anyone–so there is no point to increase taxes on regular folks and the top 1% already pay 40% of the taxes while the top 10% pay 70% of the taxes–so the rich are paying enough and the regular people should be able to keep their money in their pockets–mccain didn’t vote for the bush tax cuts because he said there was no point if there wasn’t also a cut in spending–that is what the economy needs–and NOT the bush tax cuts ending and everyone’s taxes going up

  32. politicalpuck says:

    I have voted Democrat in every presidential election since 1984. Not this year. I supported Hillary to the end, and the way the Extreme Liberals who support Obama, and the Obama campaign itself, treated Senator Clinton is enough to send me to John McCain.

    I know John McCain and can easily vote for him. Obama is an unknown and a flip flopper. He has torn the Democratic Party apart…the worst its been since 1968.

  33. Hailey Kennedy says:

    Obamakins and the VERY STUPID TABOLID CABLE TV CNN & MSNBC need to stop blaming the Clintons for everything including the ALL Obamas gaffes and the knowledge that voters are finding out for themselves because cable news won’t report the truth about his racist & terrorist’s friends… This is why the DNC does not have unity, Senator Clinton WON the popular vote, since June 7, obama has accepted ALL of Clintons solutions during the primaries that he argued against, he specifically whined the entire primary as did his followers “ But she voted for the war” wa wa wa… SO DID JOE BIDEN! but she has been in Washington too long, that’s not change” wa wa wa… BIDEN has been in Washington much Longer… Senator Clinton won 18 million votes…and David Axelrod said Obama doesn’t need her supporters, then why are they begging for them now since he continues to fall in the polls daily.

    After all she has endured this season, and the ONLY candidate EVER to do as much for the other guy than any MAN in history and still is slammed by the racist Obamakins and cable news…THERES YOUR REASONS FOR NO DNC UNITY!!!!!! If I were the Clintons, id tell Obama to go to hell! But they care about the American people too much…

    Senator Hillary Clinton is one of the greatest Women of the 21st century!!!!! And Obama showed his inexperience and frankly stupidy for not asking her to be VP, when ALL the polls showed she is ONLY ONE that would ensure he’d win. But nope he don’t need anyone he is the MESSIAH! Yea right….He knew he needs her, reports fro obama camp and Chris Mathews said Michelle demanded he don’t, shows he still needs to be told what to do, we do not need Michelle trying to run the White House, especially when she lost hundreds of jobs for minorities in Chicago Hospt and doesn’t like this country or white folks as much.

    GROW UP OBAMAKINS HS IS NOT THE SAINT YOU SO DESPERATLY NEED TO BELEIVE with the truth being told about him only now…

    Cable news media especially CNN & MSNBC has frankly put the security of our great country at risk with an Obama coronation. It’s extremely concerning that so many Americans could care less about who their candidate really is?? He’s ½ black, lets make it happen???? Simply amazing and frankly scary.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m89m0pC_bpY

  34. Unamerican says:

    Will any movie star get done in for a sex scandal this time? This is what the world is wating for.

  35. David says:

    Its too bad that women can’t get a grasp on any issues beyond electing a women or abortion. Its all about them. There are serious contrasts between the 2 candidates, and all women can talk about is Hillary. Thank G*d she lost. Now we have the choice between income distribution and the return to a welfare state, or moving forward into a global economy. Its too bad hardly anybody gets it.

  36. Hillary Supporter says:

    I’m a Hillary supporter and I’ll NEVER vote for an unqualified upstart like Obama.

    How could anybody vote for a guy that spent 143 days in the Senate before he launched his campaign for the presidency?

    Hillary would have killed McCain. Now this lightweight is going to lose to him. He snubbed Bill, my favorite president; he accused him of the classic black racist thing: being a white racist.

    Obama is just another black reverse racist. He deserves to go down. I ahven’t decided what I’ll do on election day. I’ll either stay home or vote for McCain. One thing I surely WON’T do is vote for that liar/hypocrite, Obama.

  37. Roak says:

    Say what you like – side as you like about ideology, about substance, about bias, etc. etc.. The fact is the Democrats media representation is suprisingly honest. It is the first convention in history with visible diversity among the participants on the floor that actually represents the complexity of the country. Don’t forget that we’ve seen a half century of TV conventions of predominantly white males with a smattering of white women. Viscerally, this is real. and vote how you like – at least you’ve got a real, visible choice for once. That’s new, that’s something.

  38. Windwalker88 says:

    test

  39. Windwalker88 says:

    I am a delegate at the convention. I am 32 years old, and I plan on voting Republican for the first time in my family”s history. Of course no one knows this because I don’t want the hassle my friends and family would give me. The way Obama has treated women in this party has been a disgrace. It will feel so good to pull the lever for McCain. I cannot wait to show my vengence in the voting booth, alone and in secret. I submit to men in the Democratic Party, you made a big mistake dissing HRC. We will get even, she will run again in 2012, and your sorry asses will be sitting on the sidelines wondering how you got f***ked again. The silent majority sitting, drinking, and laughing beside you during the convention who will be secretly planning their quiet moment of revenge on November 7th. Honestly I can hardly wait to pimp you boys. BTW Not paying higher taxes for four years is not bad either..

  40. Hawk says:

    Important ommissions from DNC day 1:
    1. Mary Jo Kopechne and the Chappaquidick River Party
    2. Reverend Wright and the family-values oriented, Amerocentric baptism of obama’s 2 daughters
    3. michele obama’s thesis implying that she could never get a fair shake in America because it’s inherently racist
    4. Resko and the Hyde Park mansion acquisition, followed by $14,000,000 steered to Rezko
    5. michelle’s huge payraise at the University of Chicago coincident with a. barack’s acendency to senator, and b. barack’s steering money to U of C
    6. Emil Jones’s statement implying if you’re black and not for barack, you’re and uncle tom
    7. etc.
    now THAT would be complete life story, and not the fairy tale that michelle/barack put on on the first night to sound “white”.

  41. bigblue says:

    I think you meant to say the chicken (Obama) has come home to roost. How can we as a party push this lightweight onto the American electorate. He is an appeaser, wimp. spineless jeelyfish who caved into Clintons at this convention. I hope after he loses he just fades away to a nice home in one of the 57 states he campaigned in…..

    What a joke.

  42. Harley2002 says:

    I read the first two posts.

    1. Jennifer Rubin is an idiot.
    Well this shows the intelligence of the Obamatons. Can’t argue with logic throw out an insult.

    2. Anyone who does not vote for Obama is a racist.
    If you are serious about this post you represent the sentiments in comment 1 more them Jennifer Rubin…

  43. Rebecca Lawson says:

    Porchnik,

    Continue to delude yourself that there are no Hillary supporters that will not vote for Obama in November. I supported Hillary, but I will proudly march into the voting Booth and vote for McCain now. I will not now or ever support Obama.

  44. Shakira says:

    My man Obama rocks, he does not need the Clintons for anything. They are old and yesterday’s news. They need to get out of his way. Change is coming, , Nothing will stop Michelle and Barack. Hillary’s KKK followers betta get off the track and back in the kitchen

  45. Just a Dude says:

    Its funny to see the Obama fans re assure themselves over dems that are voting for McCain. Like if there can be no unhappy Hillary supporters. There are in fact plenty, and Obama fans are worried. No amount of calling us “Fake right wingers” is going to help your cause.

  46. Lisa says:

    Anyone out there that still clings to “If you don’t vote for obama, you’re a racist” can take credit for any damage done to obama. It’s ignorant, backward, reverse racism statements like this that cause the rift.
    Obama and his camp played the race card from day one. They attacked people who fought for racial equality for 20, 30, 40, 50 or more years by calling them the very thing they have dedicated their lives to fight against.
    People who don’t support obama are NOT being racists, they are being realists. They know an empty suit when they see one, they know a blatant racist when they see one (regardless of the color of the skin) and they know a liar, a blind follower, an insecure supporter who will follow someone based on the color of their skin instead of the content of his character.
    MLK would be disgusted by Obama if he were alive today. Look back at his “I have a dream” speech. It was HIS words that people not be judged on the color of their skin BUT ON THE CONTENT OF THEIR CHARACTER. That is the problem with obama, the content of his character is seriously lacking.
    Those of us who oppose Obama don’t care if his skin is black, white, red, yellow, brown, blue, purple or green, we care about the content of his character and he has none. The 90+ % of black Americans who are supporting obama are racists because they support him ONLY because of his skin color. Take away his skin color and his name, let him stand behind a blinder with other candidates with the voices disguised or better yet, let them communicate only in written words, they can even be read to us by the same person. See if obama is still your choice of if you support him ONLY based on his skin color or if you support his ideas, his short record, his questionable ties to some shady characters, his stepping on the backs of others as he climbed the ladder. Obama is the WORST candidate we could possibly field, yet there he is, about to be coronated.
    The democratic party is no longer the party of the people and I guess it hasn’t been for at least a decade. The racist, egotistical candidate and those who put him where he is are the anti-American ilk that is most dangerous to our country.
    Nobama now, Nobama ever. He is not fit to serve and will not even come close in the general election. Obama = bush’s 3rd term whether his supporters will admit it or not.
    Barring Hillary Clinton, John McCain is the only chance we have to prevent the fall of our country and I will cast my vote for him in NOvember to save what is left of our country.

  47. Lisa says:

    Nothing will stop obama??? I tend to differ with that thought. The November election will not only STOP obama, it will CRUSH obama.
    Fixing a race may be easy when it’s “close”, but even obama can’t fix a lanslide too many people would catch on. After this week, obama’s political career is over thanks to his own extreme racism.

  48. BlackBubba says:

    OBAMA == CARTER …

    Obama is an empty suit with a mind full of liberal talking points.

    Just like Jimmy Carter …

    Dims have never looked dumber.

  49. STARLING says:

    Bill Carson,

    I find puzzling the argument recently advanced by a writer at Slate that not voting for Obama makes one a racist. As a black American who has never had even the slightest intention of voting for Barack Obama, I don’t even know how to apply that argument to my situation; I just can’t figure out which race I have a problem with- my own or another one?

  50. Shakira says:

    To Lisa

    Your a typical racist that does not want to see a black man impowered. It is our time. “We are the ones we have been waiting for” You can not stop Obama, no one can, it is too late. The world press knows this. they know it is the time for people of color to straighten out the damage Bush has done to America. Yes, we can!!!! Go back into your little racist world Lisa. You are now invisible.

  51. Karol says:

    To Bill Carlson:

    Maybe, just maybe those of us who have no intention voting for Obama see through the thin resume, the rhetoric and the arrogance and find an ambitious man with no substance who will say or do anything to be elected president. We are not racists. We are realists: we see beyond the glitter. We would vote for Colin Powell in a heartbeat, a man of character and many accomplishments.

  52. Kasha says:

    Here we go. The Washington Post and its partisan media family will have fun this week making nasty comments. You think the DNC will be a Soap Opera? The RNC will be a boring replay of what we had to endure in 2000 and 2004. This time, we hope a thinking voter base will know better than to make that same mistake with a Bush clone sitting in the Grey House.

  53. STARLING says:

    In Bill’s defense, I think he was making reference to the argument and it’s speciousness. I don’t have the impression that he actually was calling those who don’t support Obama racist; I think he was being sarcastic, as was I ;-)

  54. Richard Head says:

    Reading all of these comments is like reviewing a high school gossip column. It appears the arguments are all about personalities. Lets keep oue eye on the issues. Like it or not Democrats and Republicans will differ considerably in their response to our problems.
    Economics. Cut more taxes,less revenue to support our military,health care,infrastructure etc. More billions to China and Saudi Arabia and maybe even Russia .This will continue to weaken our security. Get real, we have to pay off our debts and get solvent. Bush has shown us his methods, McCain is pledged to continue this.
    Staying in Iraq for years has lost its appeal now that the government,we created,is asking us to leave(but please continue to give billions). The realization that the battle is in Afghanastan and Pakistan which we have ignored is still not on the Republican agenda.
    The total blundering of provoking Russia as a foreign policy. Korea is again going Nuclear. The McCain -Bush group still totally lost understanding these problems.
    The utter lack of control on our large corporations and the dismantling of all regulatory agencies,to be continued under Mc Cain.
    These are the clear cut issues not black,age,experience etc. We have a clear choice and it may determine if this country survives as a nation or becomes a debtor to the world (Welfare ).
    Come on folks,wake up and get real about your choices.

  55. TO the writers:
    I don’t need your comments from your characters, especially the younger people. They did not pay my bill. Please let channel 7 know, “I don’t need you to care about my family, because my bill was paid out of my pocket.”
    When the writing is in bad taste, I don’t want to watch it anyway! How about all those young people in that war? Are you contibuting or collecting you are nto qualified to earn. My concern is how you can do that much damage to so many people and not even know them? That’s how I feel when they have to go to war because of the irresponsible behaviour of other people.
    sincerely,
    gloria wilson
    When you people move away from my files, I can catch up my bills you made too. I don’t need your phooey money!