Yesterday I quoted Ronald Reagan on the central role freedom and human rights should play in American foreign policy. Today I want to follow up with a quote from the man Michael Barone called “the nation’s best thinker among politicians since Lincoln and its best politician among thinkers since Jefferson.”
Writing in the May 1974 issue of COMMENTARY (subscription required), Daniel Patrick Moynihan said this:
There will be no struggle for personal liberty (or national independence or national survival) anywhere in Europe, in Asia, in Africa, in Latin America which will not affect American politics. In that circumstance, I would argue that there is only one course likely to make the internal strains of consequent conflict endurable, and that is for the United States deliberately and consistently to bring its influence to bear on behalf of those regimes which promise the largest degree of personal and national liberty. …. We stand for liberty, for the expansion of liberty. Anything else risks the contraction of liberty: our own included.
Moynihan went on to warn about those “who know too much to believe anything in particular and opt instead for accommodations of reasonableness and urbanity that drain our world position of moral purpose.”
I certainly didn’t agree with Moynihan on everything — but whenever I read him, even when I disagree with him, I’m reminded just how much we miss him.
Same tactic with the Cynthia McKinney boat ride sham.
The truce they refer to in the article is the one that was signed over the summer. Israel is rejecting that agreement, even though the timeframe has run its course.
The news media coverage is already a sad reminder of how few friends poor beleaguered Israel has in the world. No other nation is treated as shabbily as Israel.
It looks like a widespread trick “Le Figaro” and “Liberation” in France have the same headlines “Israel exclut tout cessez le feu”. It would appear to be based on an AFP wire.
Scholar in Training — You are incorrect. Israel did not reject the truce that ended December 19th. Israel asked for its renewal; Hamas refused.
Francois — the Wash Post story is not a re-slugged wire report, it is an original piece of reportage produced by the Post’s Israel correspondent. Even if it was, the Post is responsible for its own headlines.
Scholar in Training,
are you enrolled in a madrassah or journalism school? Its hard to tell the difference sometimes.
Propaganda in Training – check your facts before posting.
JM – why should facts get in the way of a good Israel bash session? Never have mattered in the past.
The real headline should have read “Iran sacrifices Gaza to raise oil prices”
50% of the American electorate voted to throw Israel under the bus in the last Presidential election. We have yet to see where this will go, but I believe the Israeli government has rightly concluded it will have a tough time getting much support from the new US government. What ever happened to “never again?”.
Here’s a better headline. Israeli Pirates Attempt to Kill Former Member of Congress Cynthia McKinney: So Much for the Billions Stolen from US Taxpayers by Tel Aviv White Supremacist Chosen People Colonists.
I rest my case (see Esteban’s post above).
I find it amazing that so many of you are losing sleep over the conflict between Israeli forces and the inhabitants of the Gaza Strip. The United States is not and should not be responsible for Israel’s security or future stability—that is a matter for the government of that nation. I don’t base my opinion on religious devotion (or lack thereof ) or on any favoritism toward Palestinians living in Gaza. I base it on purely practical considerations; such as the US minding its own business and staying out of a conflict that has raged for centuries between these groups.
Stop for a moment and consider whether your support for Israel is based on religious principles. If so, you are doing the US an injustice by failing to acknowledge how the US’ apparent unconditional support for Israel has impacted our domestic security, politics and our reputation around the world. I’m sorry, but I have to put the US’ interests ahead of any other country we might support.
“What ever happened to ‘Never Again’?”
Ask the million people trapped in Gaza.
FamousTony: I completely agree that the US’s foreign policy should be based 100% on US national interest. I am not a Jew, hence my defense of Israel is not based on religious considerations. US national interest dictates support of any country which supports the US fight against those who would topple American financial and security systems. As such, I believe the US has absolutely no alternative but to support Israel’s right to exist. If we follow the logic of those who keep harping on the Palestinian issue, I would ask them to vacate their ranch homes in California and give them back to the American native tribes who were there first. Comments?
Heya Pollock: name your source that shows the WP article is incorrect…. or do you admit this is just another sham yellow journalism “article” to show your Republican handlers how special you are…?
I think the headline may be mangled. AP has an article released not long ago entitled “Israel mulls truce offer on Day 4 of Gaza assault.”
Seems the Israelis might offer Hamas a truce before sending in troops.
Dear Jesus St. Jesus,
My source on the WP article is the WP article. I linked it in my post. It might be time for a brain transplant.
Yours truly,
Pollock
Hamas begins unprovoked rocket attacks from Gaza and Israel responds thus making clear that Israel is the ugly ogre in the situation. Since there was no such place as the nation of Palestine prior to 1948, I am wondering why Egypt, Jordan, or Syria have not created a homeland for these folks who are ethnically theirs. Moreover, when a nation of Palestine was offered upon the creation of Israel, the Arabs rejected it in favor of pushing for the destruction of Israel instead. We see how that effort has played out over the last 60 years. We should of course turn our back on the only true and functioning democracy in the middle east, it’s the right thing to do.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight….. You just answered with a negative respoonse….. typical though….
They also don’t mention that Hamas “rejected the truce” as well – both sides have made it plain that they will not stop the violence any time soon. Even NPR reported it this morning just as I’ve characterized it. Only the spell checking software and lack of crayons are keeping these people above undergrad standard.
Jesus St. Jesus – the WP article is NOT wrong
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“In advance of the Paris session, the European Commission called for “an immediate halt to military hostilities” in order to spare Gaza’s civilian population, while demanding that Hamas also stop firing its rockets into Israel. United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-moon on Monday had also called for a cease-fire.
Israeli leaders reemphasized that they were prepared for an extended effort to cripple Hamas.
Although the pace of bombing appeared to slow on Tuesday, Interior Minister Meir Sheetrit told Israel Radio that at this point “there is no room for a cease-fire,” according to news reports from the region. “The Israeli army must not stop the operation before breaking the will of the Palestinians, of Hamas, to continue to fire at Israel.”"
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Israelis rejected the call for a truce from the European Commission and Ban Ki Moon but as Pollak says “no truce has been offered by anyone involved.”
Pollak believes no call for a truce was made if it didn’t come from Hamas.
Jericho, why don’t you go look up the word “truce” in the dictionary. A truce has not been offered when a third party calls on two warring parties to stop fighting. That is just bloviation. A truce happens between two combatants; when a truce is rejected, it means that one combatant offered it and the other declined. Not when some blowhards at the UN called for a ceasefire and everyone ignored them.
Everyone on the face of this planet needs to step back and look at the forest instead of the trees, though it’s been so long since anyone thought outside the box that we may have locked ourselves inside of it. Instead of decrying all Muslims as fascists and mindless ideologues(though some are) we must remember that there are many mindless Semites roaming the Earth as well. When will you be even? What will make you happy? Maybe we should just cut out the middleman and use military equipment that still has the US nameplate on it and just annihiliate the G’Strip. Then we can rile up all the angry Islamic peoples and have a reason to start a war against more brown people- that’s the only kind we ever like to kill anyway….oh what a wonderful plan!!! Then we can run around killing more Muslims in the name of “Democracy”. We are all screwed and you’ve all got your heads too far in the sand to possibly see what’s coming…. have fun with your stupid Crusades…I’ll be patiently waiting on the other side of your Dark Ages
The Balfour Declaration, which created Israel in what had previously been known as Palestine, was a British invention. At the time, at least two sites were under consideration for the location of the new state, the other one being what is today Uganda, in Central East Africa. One cannot forget that the then crumbling British empire was being unceremoniously dismembered. The British simply decided that Palestine was the most convenient and least complicated (from Her Majesty’s government’s point of view) site, since they could continue to hold on to Uganda for at least another 15 years or so. If anyone is to “blame” for the Palestinian situation, it is Britain, although even that is akin to locking the stable door after the horse has bolted. I accept that after 1947 the mess left in Palestine could have been better handled by all, including the Palestinians themselves, who have missed no opportunity to damage their own interest, followed by Arab nations who have continued to use Palestine as an excuse to further their own agenda. Let us not forget that the Arab League has betrayed the Palestinian cause repeatedly over the decades since Israel’s creation.
Noah-
truce
Noun
a temporary agreement to stop fighting or quarrelling [plural of Old English trēow pledge]
Collins Essential English Dictionary 2nd Edition 2006 © HarperCollins Publishers 2004, 2006
Why don’t you go look up the word trivial.
A truce was suggested by two international entities. Israel rejected that call. It is currently mulling over offering a truce to Hamas according to the AP.
I hope AIPAC is sending you a little cash or something.
Not quite.
“Truce: a suspension of hostilities for a specified period of time by mutual agreement of the warring parties.”
Even if your mistaken understanding of what a truce is was correct, you still can’t account for the fact that Hamas also rejected the UN’s call for cease-fire — so why does the Post headline only mention Israel?
Its interesting how many people on this board think that we should allow terrorist groups to dictate who our allies are. Lets not upset the fanatical terrorists in fear they may get upset with us. seriously grow a sack. its clear as day to me.
In tel aviv israel you can drink an alcholic beer on the beach and watch girls in bikinis.
in iran , alchol is illegal, and you are lucky if you get a glance of a womans ankle.
why so many people side with intolerant islamic fascism is beyond me.
Chris,
“…. 9/11… terrorist… war on terrorism… 9/11, 9/11, 9/11…”
The dogmatic approach that you and Republican leadership has used to try to turn Americans into sheep for the last 6 years has been shredded. Try the approach of truth sometime: it will set you free.
Jesus: On January 21st 2009 you will have your chance to sit down and negotiate with no preconditions with Messrs. Ahmedinejad, bin Laden and Jong Il. I look forward to the successful outcome of those discussions as promised by the Anointed One. Best regards.
Typical left wing reporting. Another instance of not saying anything to upset the Islamic Hoards who are intent on taking over the world. Israel has every right to defend itself from the attacks from Hamas, a known terrorist group, that wants to destroy Israel as a country.
Expect soon that we will again ourselves be attacked by Islamic terrorists in the next few years. And I fear that it will be way more spectacular than 9/11 The United States is weaker on terrorism and soon to be even weaker with the new administration that is coming into power. We will soon learn the folly of our mistake in appeasing the Muslims.
Noah- Is the only definition of the word in the English language your definiton? No.
Your commentary is misleading. International entities requested that Israel call a truce and Israel rejected it. I think propaganda is a term better used to describe your posts today than the WAPO’s article. Don’t get me wrong, the WAPO is garbage but you’re taking things a little too far with this criticism.
Why not make the post about the international community not pressing Hamas to suspend its attacks rather than focus on some ultra-selective view on an article title?
…”the Anointed One”… “the Messiah”… “a Muslim”… no birth certificate”… More BS from the wacko screaming right wing white male Republican whiners….. Again, your approach has been dragged into the daylight and shredded.
It’s laughable, but the fact that you think continuing to use rove/limbaugh/hannity/savage/o’rielly tactics will change the demise of your party is even more so…
Jesus: you missed the point, not surprisingly. Now it’s your turn to fix the world. Good luck with that. Love and kisses.
Only thing left is to be part of an intellectual explosion.
I’d say my point is right on, and you have no true response to it. Hugs and smiles…
Well actually he has not shown a real birth certificate, and he was raised a Muslim for years and he wants to deal with the terrorists with no conditions. And yes people at like he is the Messiah which he definitely is not. More like the Antichrist if anything.
I think it will be funny when everything collapses in the next few years, and people like you realize that it is your fault.
Wow…. My point is again proven… this is too damn easy…
Resulting in more pure, less death inclined thinking. Bombers and Bombees are invited to make their case in an Independent Inaugural Guestbook. Obviously Bombees would generally not be able to add their remarks, but in principal, anybody getting bombed from the sky, especially if they are weaponless, whether Israeli or Palestinian, Pakistanian or Indian, have a new voice. And any justice loving people are invited there also. to leave a mark of their own definition of justice unto the 44th President of the United States, in the context of well wishing for the betterment of all mankind.
It’s over when everyone is wiped out!
Reload…FIRE…Reload…FIRE…
Wonder if the rockets have a red star or white star on em?
Bah point them at the blue one….FIRE!!!!
I don’t get it– if Jews control the liberal U.S. media elite, why are they always attacking their own country?
For an excellent perspective on the real Israel-Hamas/Palestinian issue, read Oren and Halevi’s opinion piece in yesterday’s (12/29) Wall Street Journal.
And btw, Scholar in Training obviously still has a lot of training to do.
Hey Knuckleheads – the NYT article referenced EU partners who had asked Israel to engage in a truce last night. Look before you leap. Geez. This stuff is tough enough to understand without being lazy about it.
ZAP,
The Republicans are full of contradictions…. it is that has kept them afloat for the last 6 years…
Why is it ok for Hamas to missle Israel, but Israel can’t defend itself. i don’t get it at all.
What naive left-wing ideologues like Jerico and Jesus St. Jesus (a mockery of the Christian faith I find deeply offensive) propose is unilateral Israeli disarmament under the guise of a “truce” while Palestinian missiles fly unabated. I have another word for it: suicide. Of course, that’s precisely what the Left wants Israel to commit. Sorry, kids, no dice.
WOW, it’s good to see that the hosts of this site practices censorship as well, since a post of mine was not allowed to be displayed… typical hypocritical Republicans… Thank you again for proving my point….
Jonas: Go ahead and stick with your xstian life and that only allows you to read and believe the “bible” rather than persue education in the world today. Base your life on a book of fiction that has been retranslated 1,000′s of times into hundred’s of launguages and interpretations, each having a group of fantatical extremist followers that believe theirs is the one “true” word of “god”. And to think that people laugh at comic book collectors and fans of science fiction….
It has nothing to do with terrorism, it has to do with individual freedoms which are not allowed under Islamic law, I could care less about republicans, oil, and 9/11. I just don’t want to be under intollerant religous laws, whether it be christian, jewish, or muslim. if I want to eat a ham sandwich I don’t want the government that is run by islamic laws to tell me I can’t. Basic civic liberties Islamic government rule does not allow, governments based on islamic law have the highest forms of intollerance. Hell, the Shia are killing the Sunni, what makes you think they have the capacity to tolerate other people and religons when they are killing themselves over which sect has the most legitmate lineage to Mohamed.
So yea I support any country with democracy, sorry, call me unabashedly patriotic but I like the freedom to choose and I am all for stopping the spread of religous controlled governments.
I suggest you watch the Bill Maher movie Regilous.
Chris,
So you’re okay with a country based on “christian law”, such as proposed by a vast majority of the Republican party? That sounds JUST as scary as the one you describe…
I’d say screw the jews and screw the palestinians, what the hell should we care
Throughout history the Jew have never gotten along with anyone ,who thinks they will now. It will never happen
Jesus St. Jesus,
You are obviously more perceptive than I that you could divine so much of my personal character and beliefs from a single post. Chastened by your evident moral and intellectual superiority, I leave you with the following quote from Nietzche:
“He who fights monsters should take care not to become a monster too, for if you stare long enough into the Abyss, the Abyss also stares into you.”
Jonas:
“God is dead” -Nietzche
So is his kid…. get over it…
Anyonw notice that when you click the link quoted in the story..that WaPo has changed the headline that started this post in the first place to :
“Israel Presses on With Gaza Strikes
European Commission Calls for Immediate Cease-Fire”
“I like to believe that people in the long run are going to do more to promote peace than our governments. Indeed, I think that people want peace so much that one of these days governments had better get out of the way and let them have it. ”
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1890 – 1969)
We have a goal, all we need now is a plan. Instead of berating the left and right for the mistakes they have made or might make someday, let’s start a dialog of commonality. If the left and right can’t shake hands, agree to disagree and come up with compromised solutions, then what democracy are we to promote in the world?
Start here, start today, start now. Feeling less than exstatic about change or hope? Then what would you like to change or what do you hope for? Maybe it’s the same or atleast a little similar to what I want too.
Im with Amy on this one…this anal banter between repubs and libs is sickening..in fact it is virtually an intellectual version of the Isreali-Palstinine conflict in and of iteself. Two sides hell bent on doing what they want regardless of the people hurt, injured, maimed or cast aside in the middle. Wake up people!
Seems to me that the WAPO erred in its headlines about a truce offered, then offered a changed view of that headline. Misinformation alive and well at the WAPO. The original truce ended and Hamas and other assorted parties have continued to launch rockets before, during and after it. Israel did the most logical thing by rejecting the truce. Peace and love to those who truely wish to offer and accept it.
Jesus St. Jesus,
If you had actually bothered to read Nietzche, rather than blandly and ineffectually cite him as an authority to support your perverse ideas, you’d discover that Nietzche contended that *we* killed God through our rejection of His moral injunctions. While this leads Nietzche to conclude that worship of God is an ineffective means of enforcing a system of morality, and that perhaps no such system exists or can exist, his lack of faith in God stems from his own revulsion to human treachery.
For your information, the moslems claim that Islam is a religion of Peace. What they fail to say is that is is religion of Peace for members of Islam, not for non-Moslems. If you know the Koran, you know that a good Moslem, that is one who follows the letter of the Koran, cannot be a nice Moslem to non-Moslems. A nice Moslem cannot be a good Moslem. The people the nice or moderate Moslem fears the most are Moslems. The nice Moslem is the first to be punished or die, so they keep quiet. The exception is a community where most are so called moderate, but even that can change or the word of the Friday sermon from the mullah.Therefore to live, you keep quiet. one lives in fear.If you do not believe, ask any non-Moslem who was forced to leave a Moslem country. Every country that has admitted large numbers of Moslems regret it. Ask any Brit, Frenchman, Spaniard, German, Swede, Hollander, Italian. The only smart Western European country was Ireland which restricted admission. And the US is doing the same stupid thingas the Europeans. Once the Moslems are in the Western country, the genie is out of the bottle. We do not need them.
I’m typically only revulsed when “man” endeavours to prove “god” when no such proof has ever existed….. But then I have a great laugh about it and it’s no big deal.
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So according to the Koran it is death to the infidel, one who rejects the Muslim faith. Hmmm, pretty tough words for a peacefull religion.
The sick irony is how Israel is mirroring Germany of 1939 in its blame of Palestinians for all its ills and as justification for their persecution… while Americans look the other way.
The pro-Israel US Media is under attack for not enoough promotion of another collective punishment attack on the concentration camp like state of Palestine.
It seems most American jews want our media to continue to ignore the racist poilicies of Israel and will only be satisfied if the Post actually uses pom poms and cheers Israel’s racist attack on civilians.
I know, I know, the whole world is anti-semitic, so you might as well ignore any opinion that criticizes Israel, the poor nuclear armed militant aggressor.
The siege of Gaza, the illegal settlements, the denial of basic human rights to food, water, electricity and work for Palestinians will only continue to fuel Israel’s cycle of terror.
The constant humiliation of Palestinians is a recipe for an endless war.
Truth, many times these things have been offered to Palestine only to be rejected by Hamas, the PLO, etc. You reap what you sow. Maybe extermination is the only answer since they can’t accept peace. Were the Jews given a choice in World War II or in Russia after World War II, i think not.
you’re right – that headline isn’t entirely accurate.
perhaps it should have been “Israel Continues Massacre – Hopes Creating a New Generation of Enemies Will Bring It Peace”
that really captures it soooo much better.
Unbelievable how the Americans are not educated on the subject. Israel all it wants is the Palestinian’s land but without the Palestinians. If they resist they are called terrorists. Domain is wrong. The day after Obama’s inauguration he will find out who run this country. By the way he hired many Jews in his administration. They’ll make sure he closes his eyes to the war crimes committed by the Jews . He will veto any resolutions by the Security Council condemning Israels. (it was done 39 times in the past as if the US is a partner in crime).
The headline I read when hitting the link says, “Israel Presses On With Gaza Strikes”. And from the article….
Although the pace of bombing appeared to slow on Tuesday, Interior Minister Meir Sheetrit told Israel Radio that at this point “there is no room for a cease-fire,” according to news reports from the region. “The Israeli army must not stop the operation before breaking the will of the Palestinians, of Hamas, to continue to fire at Israel.”
Where is the propaganda?
Oakwheel Says:
December 30th, 2008 at 9:45 AM
The news media coverage is already a sad reminder of how few friends poor beleaguered Israel has in the world. No other nation is treated as shabbily as Israel.
Oakwheel, that probably has something to do with the domestic terrorism that Israel has been perpetrating on the Palestinian people for lo these many many years.
I have nothing against Israel being a nation but within its borders.
They have to stop stealing land to the Palestinians. Palestine always existed (Jesus was born in Palestine) whereas Israel was born in 1949 under suspicious circumstances. Last year a US envoy after a trip to the area said: This is a massive violation of rights. Palestinians live in refugee camps with no rights to circulate. How strange!!! Jews were put in concentration camps. – quite similar to me. Jews should know better they lived though that ordeal.
Read the Bible. Read the Koran. There will never be peace. Islam calls for Muslims to kill all non-believers.
Claudia,
There has never been a nation called Palestine. The Romans changed the name of the land in the second century from Judea to Palestine, a century after Jesus was killed, in order to destroy the Jewish connection to it. Since then it has been merely a province in larger empires, except fot the brief time the crusaders controlled it. Israel is the first sovereign nation in the holy land in a thousand years. Also, that the Palestinians are in refugee camps is more the fault of the Arab governments; don’t forget that Egypt occupied Gaza and Jordan occupied the West Bank until 1967. They refused to resettle or even help the Palestinians they took over. The U.N. has also done nothing but kept these people in refugee camps.
Neo-Platonism, based on the Irrational Allegorical Method, which can use anything to prove anything else, dominates Western Universities. Emmanuel Kant, was a Neo-Platonist, whose pretended Philosophy, was in fact a Neo-Platonism. All Neo-Platonism’s are Religions, and All Religions are Neo-Platonism’s, even if Atheist Religions, like Buddhism, and that Jewish Heresy, Communism. Plato Abstracted Neo-Platonism from the religion of Baal. Consequently, and the three monotheism’s have Syncratized their original philosophies with the Rationally Incompatible Religion of Baal. Hardly, anyone studies Philosophy, or knows Philosophy any more Emmanuel Kant plagiarized Emmanuel Swedenborg’s “”Heavenly Secret”", which is available on line at the Baltimore Swedenborg Church.
redbird -
islam does not call for the death to non muslims any more than christianity does. the western religions – islam, christianity, and judiasm – all basically say the same thing. the fact that there isn’t peace in the region is not about the religions not calling for it. it’s a symptom of years of mistrust and hate, fueled by self-serving and counterproductive policies designed by stupid men with no courage.
it’s amazing what people will risk for war, but risk nothing for peace. for example, the israeli politicians running for office in feb… they all just keeping trying to out-hawk the other so they can seem tough and brave for the electorate. no one seems to realize that brave would be speaking out for peace.
George W. Bush won the 2000 Election, by promising to Go National with the Richmond, Virgina, Plan to discourage Gun Violence, and to repeal Lyndon Johnson’s secret `954 inseritton of a ban on Churches making Political Commentary. Bush’s Atheists disregarded that also, very contemptuously. Most all Atheists, think they are
non-religious, and that they are scientific, when they are neither. Politicially they are either Communists or Nazis. See Ludwig von Mises’ book, “Omnipotent Government,” for proof. They are all Baalams; Priests of Baal.
Hamas has repeatedly (as recently as yesterday) that they DO NOT WANT a truce and will not abide by one. They didn’t abide by the last one either. And the newspapers state that Israel rejected a truce. THERE WAS NO TRUCE! How can Israel refuse one when none was offered. Shesh! The media is so dishonest it borders on treason.
“islam does not call for the death to non muslims”
Um…. yes, it does. Read the Koran.
The killing will stop when Muslims love their children more than they hate Jews.
Israel is vilified. Yet, you can be a Muslim Arab and be a full citizen in Israel. You can own land, vote, etc… In ALL of the Arab nations, you cannot do any of that if you are Jewish.
Now, who’s backwards and living in the 12th century?
Christopher wrote: ” why so many people side with intolerant islamic fascism is beyond me.” Not all cowardice is physical; lackspittles are always with us. Then again, the legions of those who appear unaware that organized “Islamic extremism” is merely a tactical choice remain (not always willfully) ignorant of a war that is now some 1,300 years old.
Michael Eiden wrote: “I think it will be funny when everything collapses in the next few years, and people like you realize that it is your fault.” My friend, not so; people like him will have volunteered to shovel the ashes, channeling Bobby Fischer with every (self-loathing?) imprecation.
Will the PLO or Hamas or Fatah accept a truce that is clean and unconditional with no suicide or rocket attacks, or does this have to continue. Do they really want peace or a truce where they can do anything dirty and underhanded that they please like the recent truce that just ended.
Jonas wrote: “What naive left-wing ideologues like Jerico and Jesus St. Jesus (a mockery of the Christian faith I find deeply offensive) propose is unilateral Israeli disarmament under the guise of a “truce” while Palestinian missiles fly unabated. I have another word for it: suicide. Of course, that’s precisely what the Left wants Israel to commit. Sorry, kids, no dice.” What truly boggles the mind is that they (and those they seek to appease) appear unaware that the day that they SUCCEED in “pushing the Jews into the sea” will mark the last Hajj for the 20,000 years it’ll take before it’s safe to visit in a radiation suit.
in my eyes, Hamas is the real trouble to any peace.
Jesus St. Jesus wrote: “Jonas: Go ahead and stick with your xstian life and that only allows you to read and believe the “bible” rather than persue education in the world today. Base your life on a book of fiction that has been retranslated 1,000’s of times into hundred’s of launguages and interpretations, each having a group of fantatical extremist followers that believe theirs is the one “true” word of “god”. And to think that people laugh at comic book collectors and fans of science fiction…” There, there, you poor thing; be a good fellow and wipe the spittle off your chin.
Doug Abraham wrote: “Throughout history the Jew have never gotten along with anyone ,who thinks they will now. It will never happen.” And that makes them unique how?! It isn’t the Jew who TODAY (or in the very recent past) slaughters and enslaves Christians and Animists in the south of the Sudan… harries and slaughters Black Muslims in the West of the Sudan… destroys long-abandoned Buddhist shrines in the Northwest Frontier… slaughters East Timorese pagans… engages in an endless parade of mob violence against Egypt’s Coptic Christians, Iraq’s Chaldean Christians, Azerbaijan’s Armenian Christians, Pakistan’s Christians, India’s Hindus, Nigeria’s Christians and Animists, Christian and atheist tourists in Bali, New York City and Holland, ….
The U.S. have the guts to call Egypt its allies….. sure!!! you all forget that U.S. every year send a nice check of $2B to keep their mouth shut while jews are killing Palestinians. I call that prostitution. I think of the same for King Abdullah of Jordan and the other clown in Saudi Arabia. Arabs like money like the Jews – they come from the same region. Blood vs lots of money. Wow!!!
I really wonder which side the U.S. would choose should there be a huge oil reserve in Palestine. Hum!!! The Zionists or the oil??? I really wonder!!!
let me see if I’m getting this straight.
Anyone supporting the Palestinians/Muslims are stupid, wrong, and possibly weak willed/traitorous …because they are supporting the Muslims? never mind the fact that the Christian and Jewish faiths are just as bad.
But anyone who are in support of the Israelis/Jews are stupid, wrong, thick headed, and possibly in league with some sort of secret cabal…. because they are supporting the Jews? Despite the point just mentioned above?
well then I’ve got it! Both sides shut up and go to your rooms.
my god I’m so tired of people claiming the other side are Zionist, or are evil, bad tempered,etc. when the simple fact of the matter is both groups are just as thick headed and politically motivated as the other. Neither side is in the right. Both sides are in the wrong, and at this point saying “They started it” is just childish.
Here’s another point to consider in the “death tally”, which yahoo news keeps reporting- how many of the dead are Hamas terrorists/militants who actually ARE the intended targets? The news does not include that number, and therefore continually emphasizes the propoganda that Israel is just bombing neighborhoods indiscriminantly.
And where was yahoo news when Israeli citizens had their legs blown off from these “homemade” rockets- many of which are actually Soviet-made missiles? For weeks, Israel has been saying, “if Hamas doesn’t stop these rockets, we’ll have to attack” but these reports were not newsworthy, I suppose, until broaden violence occurs.
It’s so hard to watch these news feeds, from Ibrahim and other Gaza-based reporters.
Hamas are terrorists just like gangs in the United States are. I have no sympathy for anyone who lobs rockets at civilians when they are brought to justice. This is unfair to Israel and to the Palastinian people. The hate groups such as Hamas must be confronted for the sake of a civilized world.
Claudia, I have no doubt you wonder about many things. And wonder, and wonder, and wonder.
Not surprising. The Washington Post published the famous picture of the dead Palestinian sitting up under a sheet. What else has the media slanted? At first it was noted that the rocket that killed the construction worker was an Israeli Arab – the word “Arab” was deleted from later reports. Why? So as not to get people to consider how Arabs can be citizens of Israel while 980,000 Jews were expelled and are prevented from re-entering Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Yemen, Egypt? So as to protect Hamas from its well known policy of fratricide and infanticide for political purposes? What else is left out? That the UN condemned Hamas first, and then Israel for use of violence, but somehow the news only reports that Bank-i only condemns Israel. What else? Where is the story of the family of the two little girls in Gaza that were killed by Hamas rocket fire the day before the Israel offensive started? One news report actually reports that Hamas is summarily executing its own ‘citizens’ of Gaza if it suspects them of collaboration, but somehow this doesn’t make it into the AFP, the Post, etc. It goes on and on…
The Middle East protesters against Israel are the same guys who came out in force to cheer on 911
The Middle East protesters against Israel are the same guys who came out to cheer on 911
Is Israel interested in stable, democratic and liberal Palestinian state and if yes what is Israel doing to achieve it?
Is the USA interested in stable, democratic and liberal Israel and if yes what are they doing to promote that?
Assuming most Israelis, Palestinians, Americans and the rest of the world are interested in peace, stability and security in the Middle East and especially in the land of Israel and Palestine it is obvious there are influential powers who are interested in pumping up the tension. These powers are obviously winning. Who are they? How are they organized in Palestine, Israel, USA and the rest of the world. How are they called? Why are they so powerful? Where are their weak points? How can they be defeated?
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You would ask those in the MSM & the chattering class, who focus only on what they see is Israel’s intransigence,
“to vacate their ranch homes in California and give them back to the American native tribes who were there first.”
OOPS, current PC version is that we give them back to the Mexicans who weren’t there first. Confusing, no?
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#94 should’ve read “Confusing, no? ☺”, lest you misread my witticism as a criticism of you. The smiley face symbol
Israel is why we are in this economic mess. They have killed 400 people with modern weapon systems the U.S. literally gave to Isreal. The Israeli jew is crying about five or six lives lost while they have killed hundreds of Palestnian civilians and thousands since they began stealing Palestinian land.
We ought to be ashame of ourselves for supporting such evil. I have no love for Islam but I have 0 for evil and Israel and its supporters are evil and us Americans should cut Israelis off at the knees for the evil it has perpetrated in the world.
we live in a shamful world,
Hamas came to the power by the vote of Palestinians, that was confirmed by Jimy Carter,
Hamas is flage of Democracy in the Arab world,
why we accused them of terrorist Group, if they fight for their rights of dignity,
if Hamas is terrorist group Churchill prime minister if Uk was terrorist leader too,
look to his words:
this is the words of Churchil during second world war:
we will fight on the beach,
we shall fight on the hills,
we shall never surrender,
why we asked Palestinan to surrend,
isn’t shamful to live in a blocked area without any humunitrian helps.
where are leaders who all the time call for human rights.
I stopped buying newspapers years back. I won’t support a media intent on the demise of Western civilisation.
paul the climber: you are ignorant. you still believe the Arabs did the job on 9/11.
The whole world have doubts about who is really responsible even head of states. Unfortunately, they cannot prove it. A lot of people worldwide including intelligent Americans are working on the subject and they are very hopeful they will succeed. Hamas is not a terrorist organization contrary to what Bush says. Hamas is a movement of resistance to the jewish occupation and the stealing of their land. Maybe you should do a little bit of researches and talk more intelligently next time. The 9/11 was only a key to open the doors to invade countries, occupy them and then (most important) control the region. Do you find that normal that a country like US cannot find Ben Laden???? Easy, they are not even looking for him because they know he did not do it. Read more Paul. Read more and you’ll understand what is really going on in the world.
Well Claudia, I see that my little (accurate as well) history lesson was wasted on you. There can be no arguing with, pardon my rudeness, a conspiracy nut. Hopefully what I said was not wasted on the others.