Those who have expressed grim satisfaction at the reports of assassinations of Iranian nuclear scientists have been told they will sing a different tune if Israelis or Jews are targeted by Iran. Today’s news of attacks on the Israeli embassies in Georgia and India will, no doubt, lead some to assume those responsible are in some way taking revenge for the Iranians. But the assumption that Israel is reaping what it sowed is off the mark. So, too, is the attempt by Israel’s critics on both the right and the left to claim there is some moral equivalence between Israel and Iran.
The first problem with this equation is that Iran and its various terrorist auxiliaries need no new excuse to attack Israelis or Jews. Groups like Hamas and Hezbollah have been doing this for many years. When it comes to the question of whether or when Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah will strike, the assumption ought to be they are doing their worst at all times. Second, and more important, is that squeamishness about the attacks on Iranian scientists is entirely misplaced if not completely disingenuous.
Last week, I wrote about the NBC news report about Israel’s alleged employment of an Iranian dissident group to help carry out covert operations inside the Islamic state. The group, the People’s Mujahedin of Iran (also known by their Farsi acronym MEK) has been labeled a terrorist organization by the United States. Some prominent Americans on both sides of the aisle dispute this label. Others have told me in the last week they doubt the veracity of NBC’s allegations. I took no position on the virtues of the MEK or on the quality of NBC’s reporting. What I did say was because Israel is locked in a war with Iran in which its existence is at stake, the use of the Iranian’s regime’s enemies to aid operations designed to forestall a nuclear threat is justified.
This provoked angry denunciations of my position from both the left by Glenn Greenwald at Salon and Robert Wright at The Atlantic, and the paleo right by Daniel Larison at the American Conservative. All seem to agree Israel’s alleged use of the MEK to kill Iranian scientists is an act of terrorism, and this makes Israel a state sponsor of terrorism. They also believe it is terribly hypocritical of those of us who denounce terrorist attacks on Jews and Israelis to think it is okay to knock off those working on Iran’s nuclear program.
This stance is not so much based on a devotion to an inflexible legal definition of terror as it is with delegitimizing concern about threats to Israel’s existence. Larison writes that a belief an Iranian nuclear weapon “has something to do with averting a second Holocaust … is a deeply irrational and unfounded assumption.” He bases that on the fact that Israel has nuclear weapons and this nuclear deterrent should put to bed any worries about Iran’s leadership thinking about a first strike on the Jewish state. Thus, in his view, any attempt to stop the Iranians from having the capacity to kill millions in a single stroke is just a criminal endeavor spurred on by an Israeli “fantasy” about Iran’s intentions.
But one needn’t step into the world of fantasy to understand what Iran’s intentions might be toward Israel. Their leaders spell it out, leaving little to the imagination. As Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei said earlier this month while defending his country’s nuclear ambitions, Israel is a “cancer” that must be removed from the region. There is an interesting debate as to whether the fanatical religious figures who run Iran are prepared to risk attacks in kind from Israel should they use nukes to make good on their threats. But while it is not possible to predict Iran’s conduct in advance with certitude, the notion that Israel should simply sit back and wait and see what will happen while a government that actively promotes anti-Semitism acts on their threats is not advice any rational or responsible government can take when the lives of millions of citizens are at stake.
Above all, what Greenwald, Wright and Larison have a problem with is the entire idea of drawing a moral distinction between Iran and Israel. That is why their entire approach to the question of the legality of Israel’s attacks is morally bankrupt. Underneath their preening about the use of terrorists, what Greenwald, Wright and Larison are aiming at is the delegitimization of the right of Israel — or any democratic state threatened by Islamist terrorists and their state sponsors — to defend itself. They do so by dismissing the idea there is any credible threat to Israel and then by labeling those who are using their expertise to put a genocidal weapon in the hands of those who have made repeated threats of genocide as innocent civilians. However, at this point, doubts expressed about Iran’s intentions are mere sophistry cynically taken up by those who wish to hamstring the effort to avert a catastrophe.
Undeclared wars, even those between evil regimes and democracies, are necessarily messy. But the idea that the United States or Israel must forebear from acting in defense of humanity against a regime such as that of Iran because the Iranian scientists have not been convicted in a court of law is a moral absurdity. Contrary to the disingenuous arguments of Iran’s intellectual defenders, it really is quite easy to make a distinction between an Iranian nuclear scientist and an innocent American, Israeli or Jewish victim of the anti-Semitic terror sponsored by that regime. Greenwald, Wright and Larison are unmoved by the prospect of Khamenei having his finger on a nuclear button and are aghast at Israel’s resort to cloak and dagger methods to avert the possibility. But the only really immoral thing for either the United States or Israel to do is to fail to act.










Absolutely correct in the entirety. My question is how we should label such people and organizations as Greenwald, Wright and Larison, Atlantic, The Times, etc.? Nazis? Fools? Traitors? All are appropriate. Someone who wants you to commit suicide and attempts to have you do so even though you do not want or need to is a murderer or want-to-be murderer. The question should be expanded to include not only how we label such, but what do we do with such people and organizations? Whatever we do, no matter how violent, it will be an act of self defense.
Open season on anyone who doesn't want to go to war with Iran? n nMaking the likes of Tobin look like pacifists. Did you type that in your camo pjs?
"When it comes to the question of whether or when Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah will strike, the assumption ought to be they are doing their worst at all times." n n"[I]t is not possible to predict Iran’s conduct in advance with certitude…" n nWhich is it? n nAs for moral equivalency, a country whose people have been there for 2,500 versus a country taken by immigration and conquest in the last century are not morally equivalent. Israel may exist by right of conquest, and will no doubt defend herself, but her touts, such as Tobin, have forfeited the right to preach about methods of combat, given the long history of Israeli resort to "terrorism," at least one of whose practitioners became Prime Minister. If Israel exists by right of conquest, the Palestinians and their supporters must have an equal right to attempt a reconquest, and there can be no rational moral stricture against their using methods the Zionists themselves gleefully employ. n nThe real question for Americans, of course, is why we should involve ourselves in this mess for the sake of an unpleasant little pied noir state. Let the locals fight it out, without our money, weapons, and diplomatic involvement. n
Israel does not exist by right of conquest. n nHad the Jews not been dispersed by unending conflicts, their nation would have existed in continuum for 4000 years. n nPersia was once a land with many Jews, but no more.
As concerned as I am for Israel and its fate if Iran goes Nuclear, this debate should be framed more around the how a Nuclear Iran will have an immediate, significant, negative effect on the world as it exists, and how that effect will increase over time as Iran procures more power and influence then having the bomb.
Let's not do a measuring contest of how long Jews (and their forefathers) have been living in the land of Israel. You'll come up short, Grumpy Old Man, but you may be used to it already.
Most sensible people realize that Israel invited this retaliation and can't go crying about it now. Nobody has any sympathy for Israel. Why should they?
Greenwald is correct. Isreal is a Non-signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. n
The vast majority of Americans, and their representatives in Congress (standing ovations, remember?) display intense sympathy and support for Israel in its battle for survival for many obvious reasons, all of which seem to be beyond the ken of isolationists and antisemites such as Israel100 and Grumpy Old Man. In fact recent polls show that the majority of Americans support a US attack on Iran's nuclear facilities, if only to protect American security interests!__Israel is not crying about retaliation by its enemies – Iranian, Arab or Islamic self declared heirs of the Nazis and their supporters. That kind of pathetic response ended with the Holocaust. We don't need or want sympathy or pity from anyone – we in Israel hope to inspire respect in our friends, and fear in our enemies, wherever they may be.__David of Jerusalem
We shouldn't be all that concerned what self professed anti'zionist', frequent collaborator with antisemites and holocaust denier, Ayatollah booster and legal defense council of Neo Nazi Matt Hale, Glenn Greenwald says. If it's a cloudy day, Greenwald will blame the Jewish Global Conspiracy to control all weather. Lest we forget Greenwald, in his own column, once quipped in passing that one of the great regrets of his life is that he's not old enough to have helped the Nazis march in Skokie, Il back in the 70's.
“The end cannot justify the means, for the simple and obvious reason that the means employed determine the nature of the ends produced.” nu2015 Aldous Huxley