Yesterday, after erroneous reports that the Toulouse shooter was a neo-Nazi, the New York Times speculated that the attack was inspired by anti-immigrant rhetoric from right wing politicians. The paper hinted that the incident was a sign of larger societal problems in France, and would prompt public soul-searching:
But the political debate around the shootings, and whether the deaths of an instructor and three young children were somehow inspired by anti-immigrant political talk, is likely to continue — both as a weapon in the presidential campaign and as a more general soul-searching about the nature of France.
You would think the Times would come to a different conclusion yesterday, after the French authorities announced the suspect was a radicalized Muslim with possible al Qaeda ties. And yet its latest article still seems to blame the attack on right-wing, anti-immigrant rhetoric:
After the shootings on Monday, the main candidates in the French presidential campaign, including Mr. Sarkozy, suspended their campaigns as political debate swirled around whether the killings were somehow inspired by anti-immigrant rhetoric. The campaign has been long and heated, and Mr. Sarkozy has been trying to win back voters who drifted to the far-right National Front party.
It remained unclear what the effect of the killings would be on the election, which is only a few weeks away. Nor was it clear whether they would further stoke anti-Muslim rhetoric in the country. Muslims complain widely of feeling vilified by some political elements, on the right in particular, and the anti-immigration far right has been gaining unprecedented popularity in recent months. Some analysts have suggested that the deaths could cause a calming of the political discourse.
The Times has a double standard on Jew-hatred.
When neo-Nazis were supposedly behind the anti-Semitic attack, the paper immediately sought out societal origins of the problem, and wondered whether it was part of a broader national trend. But now that the attack appears to have been carried out by a Muslim extremist, the Times acts as if this radicalism developed in a vacuum; as if the larger community played no role.
And it’s not just the Times. Progressives clamored for national soul-searching after the Tucson shooting and Anders Breivik’s terror attack in Norway, but seem to have little interest in analyzing what drives some young American and European Muslims to embrace radicalism, anti-Semitism and terrorism.
And the reason is clear: If you claim the radicalization of young Muslims is a sign of larger societal problems (in the U.S., France, or elsewhere) that require public soul-searching, then you may as well be House Homeland Security Committee Chair Peter King. Not only would you be raising uncomfortable questions about the Muslim community, you’d also be implying that some members of the Muslim community aren’t already doing everything they can to prevent radicalization. And as the New York Times has editorialized in the past, that’s outside the bounds of politically correct discourse.
The NYT has published many stories on home grown Islamic extremists. The recent stories were in response to information that they were being fed about the possibility (not far-fetched) that the shooter was a Neo Nazi. Daily newspaper sometimes speculate, they don't have the luxury of waiting until everything is known. That said, the French do have internal problems that could benefit form some self-examination. ( The Times has written extensively on the influences that young Muslims in France may be subjected to.) Not every story budget is part of some overall left-wing plot. nOf course, most of us really can't do much soul-searching about our inner Muslim extremest. But, we can examine our own views toward immigrants or those who do not agree with us. This soul searching ,that you so casually dismiss, is not out of place in a climate where violent rhetoric and imagery is substituted for discourse. nFinally, I feel that your comfort that the killer is an Islamist extremist nut rather than a Neo-Nazi nut, to be a little discomforting.
This needs answering, so I will: n nBoston's Howie Carr was mentioning yesterday that the perp had been in US custody in Afghanistan but was one of the prisoners that the Obama admin released so that the world would love us. To quote Sarah Palin, "how's that hope & change look now?" And Carr put it bluntly — the French wanted these people released, and we did, and look what that got them. n nBut remember one other thing — in France the suburbs are the ghettos and a decade ago they were already having problems with rival Muslim youth gangs shooting it out with each other — with automatic weapons — in shopping malls. With terrified French citizens having a sudden affinity for potted plants and anything else they could hide behind. France then had the idiot youth(s) who climbed into a high voltage transformer (aka "bug zapper") in an attempt to flee the police – ignoring the warning signs and probably not even able to read them — with the summer of burning cars was provoked by the inevitable electrocutions. (Like, umm, what do you *think* is going to happen when you climb into a high voltage transformer?) n nThese are Muslims, not right-wing Christians doing this — not that NeoNazis are either Christian or right wing, and both points need mentioning. First, the Christian faith is based upon not only all of the Jewish law (etc.) but the twin principles of "love thy neighbor" and "do unto others as you would have them do unto you." Yes there are things like "thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" but that is Exodus 22:18 — Old Testament, etc. And remember too that the reason why Jesus was upset with the money changers in the temple was that they weren't following Jewish law; not that they were there, but that they were doing things that Jewish law prohibited. n nThe burning cross of the Klan — that is *not* a Christian symbol, it is Celtic — Scottish — pre-Christian from a time when they would light bonfires on the mountaintops to get the various Klans (family groups) together. A signal that, in the era before electricity, could be seen for *miles* — and then miles further when you built your fire to signal the next group in the next valley, with them going up to the top of their mountain to do likewise. This is Pagan if anything, as is the Christmas tree which is a Pagan/Druid fertility rite and not Christian in origin. n nFurther, try Matthew 25:40 — and Jesus said "Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me." The Christian is supposed to be nice to people who are different from him — to nonbelievers and those of other faiths — and to be the Mench and live an exemplary life and such. By contrast, the Koran says something rather different as to how the the Muslim is supposed to treat the nonbelievers of that faith. n nAnd the NeoNazis are no more Christian than George Soros is an observant Jew…. n nBurn a Bible or Torah and you will upset people, hurt them. Burn a Koran and people die – the Muslims go out and hurt others in acts of vengeance and essentially terrorism. nI think that speaks volumes to the three faiths in a way that nothing else ever could, as does female genital mutilation and the "honor killing" of daughters who have been raped… n nAnd never forget that Nazi (originally NaZi) was the combination of two German words that meant "National Socialism" and that during WW-II, it was well known that we were fighting the German "National Socialists" — read the SCOTUS _West Va. v. Barnette_ decision, written in 1945, the term is used there. Hitler was a socialist, we tend to forget that, and while I consider them more schmucks than anything else, the NeoNazis are on the far LEFT, not right. n nFacts do matter. If a synagogue in America — right wing America — burns, it is going to be because of the wiring or furnace or misadventure with a candle and one of the Christian churches inevitably will let the congregation use their building for services until the synagogue gets repaired or rebuilt. Synagogues are burning in France, not America, and it isn't the NeoNazis that are doing it — those schmucks make a lot of noise but really aren't capable of much beyond a few cans of red spray paint. (Nor are they anywhere near sober when they are prancing around which also tends to make them less dangerous.) n nNo, it is the Muslims who are burning the synagogues (and churches) in France and that needs to be remembered. There is a *reason* why French politics has shifted so far to the right — see above about French affinity for large stone items to hide behind when bullets start bouncing around the shopping mall…..
Some historians say that Muhammad's tribe were converted Arab Jews. Muhammad learnt most of his religion from the Jewish Talmud. He turned against the Jews when they refused to join his new religion. n nNon-Jews are ignorant of the teachings of racist Talmudic Judaism. The Talmud is the "bible" for perverts: n n nBabylonian Talmud: Tractate Niddah nNiddah 44b nMISHNAH. A GIRL OF THE AGE OF THREE YEARS AND ONE DAY MAY BE BETROTHED23 BY INTERCOURSE; IF THE YABAM24 HAD INTERCOURSE WITH HER, HE ACQUIRES HER THEREBY;25 THE GUILT26 OF ADULTERY27 MAY BE INCURRED THROUGH HER,28 AND SHE29 CAUSES UNCLEANNESS TO THE MAN WHO HAD INTERCOURSE WITH HER SO THAT HE IN TURN CONVEYS UNCLEANNESS TO THAT UPON WHICH HE LIES,30 AS TO A GARMENT WHICH HAS LAIN UPON [A ZAB].31 IF SHE WAS MARRIED TO A PRIEST, SHE MAY EAT TERUMAH. IF ANY OF THE INELIGIBLE PERSONS32 COHABITED WITH HER HE DISQUALIFIES HER FROM THE PRIESTHOOD.33 IF ANY OF THE FORBIDDEN DEGREES ENUMERATED IN THE TORAH COHABITED WITH HER HE IS TO BE EXECUTED ON HER ACCOUNT, BUT SHE34 IS EXEMPT [FROM THE PENALTY]. IF ONE WAS YOUNGER THAN THIS AGE INTERCOURSE WITH HER IS LIKE PUTTING A FINGER IN THE EYE. n n nThe Pharisees justified child rape by explaining that a boy of nine years was not a “man” Thus they exempted him from God’s Mosaic Law: n“You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination” (Leviticus. 18:22) nOne passage in the Talmud gives permission for a woman who molested her young son to marry a high priest. It concludes, n“All agree that the connection of a boy aged nine years and a day is a real connection; whilst that of one less than eight years is not." 5 nBecause a boy under 9 is sexually immature, he can't "throw guilt" on the active offender, morally or legally. 6 nA woman could molest a young boy without questions of morality even being raised: n"…the intercourse of a small boy is not regarded as a sexual act." 7 nThe Talmud also says, n"A male aged nine years and a day who cohabits with his deceased brother's wife acquires her (as wife)." n8 Clearly, the Talmud teaches that a woman is permitted to marry and have sex with a nine year old boy. n5 Sanhedrin 69b. n6 Sanhedrin 55a. n7 Footnote 1 to Kethuboth 11b. n8 Sanhedrin 55b. n
Amen and thank you!! n
Did you notive at least that no neo nazis executed jewish french kids since 1945?_That all the murderous attacks against the jewish community came in the last 30 years are muslims? That french media is constantly lying about the israeli arab conflict and is biased against the sole democracy in the Middle East to the point of staging the Al Dura hoax in 2000 , hoax that has been revealed among others by the German public television channel ARD that no French TV to this very day wanted to air?
That all these lies and staging put also french jewish kids in danger and give amnunition to the longest and most devastating hatred in the history of mankind : antisemitism . That most of the left are the useful idiots at best.That there are peaceful muslims but not moderare Islam. That french relativism is one of the causes that have destroyed the lives of these jewish children , destroyed their families and traumatizes an entire peaceful community. Do you realize that , with all due respect, since centuries or least since the start of the 200th century , with all the social problems that France endures , the only children who were executed or killed in cold blood in France because of being born a certain religion or ethnicity are jewish?
pj104, the eager seizure and waving high of the Neo-Nazi thesis regarding the Toulouse murders, on the part of the NYTimes and other press organs, while ignoring or overlooking the more likely possibility of an Islamist background to the Toulouse crimes [including murders of 3 French offduty soldiers the week before] shows either outrageous partisanship or ignorance about the Islamists or wishful thinking about them. Or all of those possibilities. In short the NYT was guilty of lack of professionalism to be too sure about the neo-nazi background before any completed investigation was made public.
I am going to go further than Ms. Goodman did on the Tucson shooting — while the perp pulling the trigger is the person responsible for it, I was hoping there would be a trial an not just a quiet psych commitment because I believe that the Progressives and Feminists helped create the monster who did this. n nA disturbing trend in higher education over the past decade have been the so-called "Behavioral Intervention Teams" — the UMass ACT group is one of these — and they are star-chambers of the worst sort who take students (usually male) who are simply different and perhaps weird and push them over the edge. The perp had been kicked out of Community College by such a group, he couldn't go home, he couldn't stay in school, he had no place to go and bang. Bang, bang, bang — you take someone who is unstable and cut off all of his support networks, and what do you really expect to happen? n nAnd everyone went off about how it was some right wing nut job and the rest until his actual left-wing politics came out, and then we didn't hear anything else. And those outside the higher education profession probably didn't even catch the fleeting reference to the community college' Behavioral Intervention Team. n nThere is a real double standard here, there was a time when the term "yellow journalism" would have been considered appropriate. And if the Behavioral Intervention Teams were coming from the right and not left, if they were religious people and not psychology folk, if the colleges thought that all the leftists were crazy instead of thinking that all conservative students are — as they now do — we would have heard a whole lot more. A whole lot more…..
Do you really think that schools should keep students who are exhibiting dangerous tendencies on campus? Really? Do you have any idea of the liability that they would face? nWould you want your son or daughter to live in a dorm with someone like the shooters involved at Virginia Tech or Arizona? And, if someone is so unbalanced, why is keeping a score of their political leanings so important to you?
If Americans (I don't care about the rest), would look, listen and understand the commercials, series, movies, cartoons since the very early 1970's, they will not help but note that the hatred of boys began in earnest then. As one of the original Feminists of the l960's, I had to walk away when the extreme, Leftwing progressives burned their bras, issued hate towards anything male. If you create a culture where the male is less than human as they have done, why would we not suffer the consequences. The major problem with our culture today (and, it is finally beginning to be paid serious attention to) is that the females are trying very hard to find "men" with whom they can marry, have children etc., but, they don't understand that their grandmothers and mothers destroyed the "man" culture decades ago. We must all, today, pay the exorbitant price of those sins. As to Islam, I believe that the problems stem from their hatred of women established by their Prophet or maybe is was not "hatred" so much as envy. To force your women to hide behind walls or face cruel punishment is beyond the scope of my understanding or forgiveness.
The Jews are a punching ball for the Muslims and the coward left wing West.
Maimonides, known as the Rambam( 1135-1204), the greatest Rabbi taught: n n"Gentiles with whom we are not at war: One must not directly cause their death, but it is forbidden to save them if they are about to die. For example, if one sees a Gentile falling into the sea, it is forbidden to pull him out, for in Leviticus 19:16 it says, 'You shall not stand by the blood of your neighbor', and that Gentile is not considered your neighbor." – Yad ha-chazaka, the Laws of Murder and Protection of Life. n nIncidentally, Maimonides, the man who wrote this, was a medical doctor. The same word for 'neighbor' is used in Leviticus 19:18 in the famous phrase which says, "Love your neighbor as yourself"; but what this is telling Jews is that since a Gentile is not really a neighbor, they must be left to die. n nLet us continue: Maimonides also said, n n"One is not permitted to heal Gentiles, even for payment. But if the Jewish doctor is afraid of them, or if there is concern about arousing hostility, then he may heal for payment, but not free of charge." Yad ha-chazaka, Laws of Idolatry chapter 10 verse 2. n nJoseph Caro, who compiled the Shulchan Aruch, which is the basic "set table" or codification of chalakik Jewish law, said this: n n"A woman in birth is considered like a sick person whose life is in danger, for whom the Sabbath may be violated for any of her needs in giving birth to her child, such as lighting a candle; but one must not assist a non-Jewish woman in giving birth on the Sabbath." Shulchan Aruch, Or Hayim, Law of the Sabbath 330:1, 2. n nHafetz Hayim, (also known as Israel Meir Ha Cohen) 1838-1933, founder of the Avodat Israel, and a 20th-century chalakik authority on chalakah – which is Jewish law – elaborates on the preceding item in his commentary Mishnah Berurah, which means 'the clarification of the Mishnah', said: n n"One must not assist a Gentile woman in birth, not even for payment; for in the week-days one assists them in birth only to avoid hostility, and the Magen Abraham (the Shield of Abraham, which is a commentary on the Shulchan Aruch) has written that even where there is concern for hostility, one is only permitted to do activities that do not entail a violation of the Sabbath; and I want you to know that the more acceptable (literally, more kosher) Jewish doctors do not observe this at all, for every Sabbath they travel many miles to heal Gentiles and they write a prescription personally or prepare medication; but they have no chalakik Jewish law, upon which to base such actions as treating or writing a prescription for a sick Gentile. For even if one is permitted to violate a Rabbinic prohibition in order to prevent Gentile hostility, one is certainly not permitted to violate a Rabbinic prohibition, and they are considered intentional violators of the Sabbath – God spare them." n
I would so love a Talmudic scholar to take this apart line-by-line because it is close enough to the garbage that folks like Hussain Ibish spew that i know that it *has to* be false, I just don't know why.
THIS WAS A FALSE FLAG OPERATION USING A VICTIM OF MK-ULTRA. WHY? n nTO BOOST SKARCOZY'S CHANCES OF RE-ELECTION.
And your point is? Perhaps Kristof cannot see clearly behind that stone wall to avoid bullets…