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Obama Holding Onto Liberal Jewish Voters Despite Israel, Iran Concerns

American Jews may take a more jaundiced view of the Iranian nuclear threat than the Obama administration, but that doesn’t seem to be affecting their opinions about the presidential race. The latest poll from the American Jewish Committee shows President Obama likely to take a smaller portion of the Jewish vote than he did in 2008 but avoiding the catastrophic decline that Republicans hoped his combative attitude toward Israel would produce. Obama leads Mitt Romney by a 65-24 percent margin among Jewish voters. That represents a marked decline from the 78 percent he got in 2008 (though Democrats now claim the number was only 74 percent). But Romney’s inability to get more than a quarter of the Jewish vote shows that resistance to the GOP among this largely liberal group is still intense.

That still shows a potential loss among Jewish voters for Obama that was larger than his expected decline from the totals he had in 2008 among the rest of the population. That can be reasonably interpreted as a backlash against the administration’s endless rounds of fights with Israel’s government, such as the latest one over Iran that gave the lie to the Democrats’ election-year Jewish charm offensive. But Romney’s failure to make more of this weakness on Obama’s part undermines any scenario by which lost Jewish votes for the Democrats could alter the outcome in swing states like Florida. While the poll shows some progress for the GOP this year, the data show that liberal ideology and partisan affinity for the Democrats still overwhelms any concerns about the Middle East for the majority of Jews.

While previous polls of Jewish voters have encountered skepticism because of sample size, this AJCommittee poll avoids that problem. Though the margin of error is fairly large at five percent, the sample consists of 1,040 Jews rather than the much smaller numbers of previous polls, including one also sponsored by the organization that showed Obama leading by a larger margin in Florida than many though reasonable.

The breakdown by denomination shows the depth of the Republicans’ problem. Obama has large leads among Conservative and Reform Jews as well as those who call themselves “just Jewish.” But Romney has a 54-40 percent edge among Orthodox voters. Given that the survey showed only 8.3 percent of the Jewish voting population were Orthodox, that accounts for the lopsided margin. However, that does give the GOP some hope for improving their lot in the future, since the Orthodox are the fastest growing sector of American Jewry.

Given the ongoing tussle between Obama and Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu over the former’s refusal to set red lines about the Iranian threat, it is interesting to note that 64 percent of Jewish voters don’t believe the president’s policies of diplomacy and sanctions will stop Iran. An equally large majority — 65 percent — would support U.S. military against Iran with an even larger number backing Israeli action that Obama opposes.

This data can be interpreted in one of two ways. On the one hand, Jewish voters may actually believe Obama will use force in a second term to stop Iran, rather than doubting him as apparently the Israelis do. On the other, it may be more proof that whatever their opinions about Israel or Iran, most Jews simply do not view these issues as priorities when they vote. American Jews are not only not one-issue voters, Israel ranks fairly low in their list of priorities with 61.5 percent listing the economy as the most important issue, 16.1 percent saying health care, 4.7 percent listing abortion and 4.5 percent mentioning U.S.-Israel relations. Only 4.2 percent called it the second most important issue and 6.1 percent said it was the third most important.

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45 Responses to “Obama Holding Onto Liberal Jewish Voters Despite Israel, Iran Concerns”

  1. michaelmas12 says:

    Jonathan, why do you keep on falling for those false polls? You write "the margin of error is fairly large at five percent". FAIRLY LARGE???? this could amount to a swing of ten percent, for heaven's sake! You add that Israel ranks low on their priorities- 4.5 percent, even smaller than abortion!! Now, anyone thinking this way is not worthy of being considered a Jewish vote. It should now be accepted that there is no Jewish vote- because the vast majority of "Jews" in this country think that the security of Israel is of less value than abortion !! Do you understand now why the reform and Conservative branches of Judaism have made no headway in israel? They are just not considered jewish.

    • MainesMichael says:

      Exactly right. n nIf Netanyahu would try and legalize gay marriage in Israel, Israel might become a higher priority for American Jews. Simple survival of Israel as country does not rate as that important an issue with American Jews. n nObama knows it too. How? His in house Jews told him. n nShameful, but there it is. n n

      • michaelmas12 says:

        israel is the one country in the middle east who is the most tolerant of gays- so the gay marriage argument is a red herring. Very simply, the majority of unaffiliated and reform jews do not "feel' that Israel is part of its patrimony. Conservative Jews are split and orthodox jews know that "it can happen here". The future of the relationship between Israel and The American jews will continue to deteriorate…sadly.

      • yamama says:

        If the jewish vote in the United Sttes hangs on "Gay Marriage" they are dumber than I thought.

      • MainesMichael says:

        Of course I agree with you. I was being sarcastic. n nIsrael is simply not a priority for American Jews. Too bad for Israel. She is going to learn that lesson painfully this November.

      • vandag1 says:

        Too bad for American Jews. You cannot call yourself a Jew if you do not have empathy with the Jews of Israel and elsewhere. Great empathy with the survivors of the Holocaust. I guess we may have to redefine what is a Jew.

      • yamama says:

        Exactly! I agree vandag.

      • ahadhaamoratsim says:

        Redefine what is a Jew? I think you'll have to take that one up with Chazal.

      • rulieg says:

        I got the sarcasm, Michael! but your point is well taken. liberal Jews are just that: liberals first, Jews second. n n it would have been a hard sell anyway, but IMHO having Paul Ryan on the GOP ticket didn't help–at all. I get that you have to be pro-life to run for Republican office, despite the fact that many of us Republicans are pro-choice. but Ryan is a particularly fanatical pro-lifer, and he scares people. sorry to put it that way. n nI think Romney lost several points with Jews when he made that choice, just because abortion and gay rights ARE more important to them than Israel. sad, but true.

      • Just for the record the Polls show American Jews are for Abortion although they rarely have one done and if it happens they pay for it quietly and secretly . nJews have the least amount percentage wise on Welfare , Food stamps and Imprisoned . n71 % of Jews Grad College …. 6.7 % of Blacks Grad college in comparison . nEven though Jews are for Gay Marriage few actually get gay married . nJews in America suffer from Rich White Guilt to quote Dr. Shelby Williams a Black Historian . nGeorge Soros is a perfect example .

      • There's your problem. 71% of Jews graduate from college. And which colleges? Liberal ones. They are indoctrinated with a new religion during 4 years of paid liberal preaching. I know. I went through it at one of the most elite liberal schools in the country. It took me a couple decades to recover. And I'm the only one of my classmates that I know of.

      • Soros is an anti-Semite who suffers from nothing more that sheer evilness. Lumping him in with Jewish voters so totally and completely off the mark!!

      • Cynic says:

        I know of a couple, married before going to Israel, in Tel Aviv living legally as “man & man”.r nIt has nothing to do with Netanyahu but with the laws of the country which, without all the screaming and hysteria in the media and the streets, has permitted the two to live legally as a couple with the same benefits of man & wife.r nThere is also the case of a former El Al employee, now pensioned off, who some 20 years ago garnered legal rights for him and his partner.r nThe above just goes to show how ignorant American Jews are of Israel as a state if they choose to disdain the survival of Israelis because of the supposed lack of freedom of expression.

  2. MrPrinciples says:

    It's time to send Back conservatives instead of Jewish conservatives to Florida,

  3. The Democrat world-view that still holds an anachronistic stranglehold on many Jews has to be reminded that no ethnic vote is cast in stone, that Jewish support for Republican or Fusion candidates like Jacob Javitz and Fiorello La Guardia turned its back on the corrupt Democratic Tammany political machine in New York in the 1940s and 50s. r nr nJews, from the time of the first post-Civil War election until 1932 traditionally voted Republican or even Socialist rather than for the party identified in large parts of the country until the 1960s with Sunday u201cblue laws,u201d discrimination against blacks, and segregation.r n r nEven as late as 1948 American Jews were still sufficiently sober and proud to give a deserved slap in the face to the Democrats in the run up to the presidential election of 1948 in spite of their idealization of FDR. By early 1948, Truman had been cowed by his State Department advisers to abandon the partition proposal for Palestine and were preparing to announce that U.S. preferred u201cinternational trusteeshipu201du2013 meaning no Jewish state. r nr nWhite House adviser Max Lowenthal urgently warned Truman that if a Jewish state were proclaimed without U.S. recognition, Republicans, the left leaning American Labor Party and the newly formed leftwing Progressive Party under former Vice President Henry Wallace would lead a chorus of protests and capture the Jewish vote. The administration would pay a high political price in Jewish votes for it is especially important in the upcoming presidential election. Truman received crucial phone calls from Bronx Democratic leader Ed Flynn and former New York governor Herbert Lehman, warning about the electoral repercussions in New York if he abandoned the Jews. A Congressional vote in the Bronx had already unseated a veteran Jewish Democrat to fill a vacant seat and Truman realized he had to make good on his original pledge of partition and recognition of Israel. r nr nUnder Democrat President Wilson, with his dismissal of Blacks from federal jobs, apathy to lynching, restrictive immigration policy, attendance at a special festive showing of the racist film Birth of a Nation in the White House, sympathy for the Ku Klux Klan and promotion of the notorious sedition laws (u2018red scaresu2019) in which thousands of East European and Jewish immigrants were deported and imprisoned for their stand against American entry into the war, caused a revulsion among Jewish voters. In 1920, they threw out two Democrat Jewish congressmen and elected 10 Republicans and two Socialists to Congress. This information that no ethnic vote is cast in stone hasnu2019t yet been absorbed by Jewish dinosaurs who can swallow any insult and proclaim that black is white or that Jewish values mean same sex marriage and unlimited abortion as long as the democrats have proclaimed that it is u201cprogressive.u201dr n r nMany Jewish liberals whose identity had been stamped three generations ago by their grandparents under FDR, continue to picture themselves as enlightened and the true inheritors of the mantle of Jewish concerns for u201csocial justice,u201d followed Obama wherever he led, rather than view the candidates with an open mind. This election will see the pot boil over for those Jews who need no more evidence. They will have to face up to taking the cure or remain partners in their own demise as an influential and respected community.

  4. This phenomenon demonstrates the truth of a statement made by a dear friend who happens to be an Orthodox Rabbi. He said: "When a Jew strays from the path of Judaism, there is no limit to the depth of the pit into which he/she falls."

  5. Ltc Howard says:

    nWake up Jews! nBy: Rabbi Aryeh Spero nPublished: September 28th, 2012 n nNo doubt, it's hard for people to give up their lifelong attachments and identity.  But there are moments in history when a turning point arrives, and those with eyes to see and ears to hear recognize it.  Many Jews have made political liberalism their religion and personal identity and the Democrat Party their unexamined home and comfort zone.  But everything changed early September. n nRarely do modern-day political conventions startle.  The Democratic National Convention, however, was earthshaking and a warning to Jews to wake up.  Democrat delegates decided to stick it to Israel.  We no longer care, they roared, if Israel remains a Jewish state; flood her heartland with millions of so-called Palestinians whose goal is to make the state Islamic.  We will not condemn Hamas for targeting Jewish population centers with rockets.  Jerusalem is not Israel's indivisible capital but should be divided, like Berlin was.  Such was the undeniable sentiment of the delegates at the Convention. n nAfter objections from outside the Convention, the chairman reinstated support for Jerusalem.  But he was resoundingly booed.  The world saw how those boos far outweighed the yeas.  My fellow Jews, the boos were for you; those boos were for Israel, a successful Israel that sticks in the craw of a leftist, socialist mindset that sees Israel not as the beacon of freedom and accomplishment she is, but as something outside the leftist ideological orbit.  Sure, they will take your contributions and your votes, but they don't want your Israel, and they expect you to forgo distinctly Jewish needs on the altar of leftism.  We saw not liberalism, but hardcore leftism, and we saw a home where the welcome mat is quite conditional and worn out. n nThe prophet Daniel saw the writing on the wall.  All too often throughout our history, we Jews, and especially heads of major Jewish organizations, have failed to see the writing on the wall.  We are afraid to see that which is a game-changer, and so we deny events we wish were not happening.  After all, who wants to change the comfort zone? n nIt was a convention, like the last four years of the Obama administration, reveling in class warfare.  Class warfare, like Occupy Wall Street and other scapegoating calls, has never been good for the Jews.  We are often the scapegoat of those envious.  Knowing this, Ahmadinejad scheduled a meeting with Occupy, a movement endorsed last year by many bigwigs in the Democratic Party and even President Obama himself.  Jihadists and much of Islam want to delegitimize the concept of a Jewish state by tarnishing Jews as "those rich capitalists" unworthy of a state among the community of nations. n nToo often, we Jews have been beguiled into believing that Jews in positions of power have our interests at heart.  Debbie Wasserman Schultz is but the latest who would have us think she is "doing what is good for the Jews" when, in fact, she is doing and will continue to do what is good for Debbie and her power base.  Similarly, the heads of the major Jewish organizations have been conspicuously silent — a silence that would not prevail if a Republican were doing the things to Israel Obama is doing. n nJob openings are way down; 50% of college graduates, our children, can't find jobs; and Mr. Obama will continue to weaken national security and thus the safety of our families…and continue to make it more difficult for Israel to survive.  For many, all this is secondary and expendable for their more important agenda of abortion on demand and gay marriage.  How frivolous; how irresponsible! n nWe can determine what truly is important to a person when he is forced to choose between two values.  Since when is it a Jewish value to condemn Israel to misery just so one can be assured of abortion at any time, under any circumstance?  Most of your grandparents would have chosen Israel over abortion and gay marriage.  As our sages tell us: "The wages of immorality are further immorality."

  6. Ltc Howard says:

    President Obama has time to meet with Muslim Brotherhood Morsi of Egypt, who has declared his intention to get rid Israel, but Mr. Obama has no time to meet with Israel's Netanyahu, whose country is under imminent nuclear threat from Iran.  Israel's concern about a possible nuclear Holocaust is, for Mr. Obama, dismissed as mere noise, while his delegates at the U.N. on Sept. 24 are ordered to sit and listen to the vile noise of the Holocaust-denier and Iranian Jew-hater-in-chief.  It is clear that Mr. Obama's underlying sympathy is with the Muslim Brotherhood and its spread and influence around the world.  He is coaxing us to accept Islamic attitudes and norms.  This speaks volumes — to those willing to see the facts as they truly are. n nMy friends, get off the train, now.  The track is pointing in a very dangerous direction.  You will not prevail over the trend; on the contrary, you will become part of the trend.  As an elder clergyman, I'm horrified as I watch many Jews — young and old — slowly evolve into proponents of positions unwholesome, dangerous, and destined toward spiritual and physical suicide. n nTrue, you will be forced to stop your demonizing of Republicans.  You may have to vote for Romney, a candidate singular in his passion and love for Israel as a living concept, an indivisible Jerusalem, and for Israelis and Jews as Jews.  You will have to wipe away the gruesome fantasies you have concocted about Republicans and conservative Americans.  That's OK.  In fact, it is a nice thing to do and is good for the soul. n

  7. watsa46 says:

    The Democrat Jews are more concern about their dhmni status in the US than the condition of the Jews in general. The idea that you can be a loyal US citizen and support IL is foreign to them even anathema. They believe that by rejecting or ignoring IL they are better American citizen.

  8. Gfinoaktown says:

    1) Abortion 2) Gay Marriage 3) Combatting Nazis, roughly defined as GW Bush and any believing Christian 4) Supporting Black anti-semites and illegal immigrants who loathe Jews 5) Oscars and sub-par Weinstein flicks 6) New York Times 7) LA Times 8) Free healthcare for non-tax-payers 9) Palestine 10) Giving a shit if Tel Aviv is nuked Top Ten Priorities of American Jews (as an SF Bay Area resident, believe me, I know).

  9. Beth Martin says:

    Moral choices are always difficult. Unfortunately, moral choices are unavoidable. Is it comfortable considering the idea of a moral divide and picking sides? It never is, but it is unavoidable, so we must pull on our big-girl and big-boy pants and decide where we stand. n nAmericans' worries are mild compared to much of the world population. Only in America do the least prosperous among us have cell phones, free food, free doctors, tvs on the walls plus cable, air conditioning, and so forth. We'd like everyone to do very very well, but it hasn't worked out, has it? Has this utopian ideal ever worked out anywhere, anytime, in any century? n nUtopia distracts us. Let's pay attention to real life, even though attending cocktail parties with fellow idealists makes our endorphins pop, pop, pop, and we feel like the best humanists ever born. Bubbles are lovely, but people who think in bubbles might miss it when evil holds the knives and H-bombs ready. n nIs it fair or wise for the United States to throw under the bus an important ally and its citizens: Israel and Israelis? Can anyone who does so deny moral culpability for what happens next? n nWhy do "the Germans" hold the guilt card for the 1940s holocaust with no reprieve in sight? What about the next holocaust which is now brewing? . Who will hold the guilt card for a 21st century holocaust? Certainly the perps. But what about those who had the ability to know, but didn't know or didn't care? n nChoices are not nice. But we all have to make them. n nI have a favorite 20th century villain: Josef Mengele. n nIt's been 60 years since Dr. Mengele practiced medicine on German prisoners. How are we to regard Josef Mengele from the vantage of 21st century values? Is he a villain who killed tiny twin fetuses and babies? Or is just another HEROIC pro-choIce MD? n nHistory WILL judge us. Could each of us be viewed as Mengeles one hundred years from now? n n n n

  10. K2K says:

    do you really think anyone agreeing to respond to a survey for Jewish voters is going to be representative??? n nBesides, it is not as if any voter has any confidence in either Party for the last eleven years. n nI am counting on the Arctic ice melt to end my despair before 2016. n nbtw, those of us who are Jewish by birth, but non-observant of the rituals, really feel unwelcome by the incessant blasting that we must be liberals. n n

  11. blackparrot says:

    Antidote to all these "opinions," not one of which has much to back itself up: a new book buy Robert Wistrich, " From Ambivalence to Betrayal: The Left, the Jews, and Israel (Studies in Antisemitism)." This book is about us. n nWhat most of us don't want to face is that most Jewish Americans are looking for the exit-door. That's the reason most of our ancestors emigrated. They wanted "out!" Imagine, if there had been no anti-Jewish bias, hatreds, "restricted communities" and "restricted golf clubs" in America, how quickly most of our ancestors would have gladly "forgotten who they were, where they came from!" "Pass the cheesburgers!" would have immediately replaced "Next year in Jerusalem!" Instead, it took two or three generations. n nEven so, we marvel at how quickly our lot "assimilated." But do we care to admit why this was so? We would rather not know, because the truth is that most of our relatives learned new ways and adopted them wholesale—as a means of not "being Jewish." Judaism? It's an ancient mystery religion, not what's practiced in the reform "temples." n nBy contrast, Rabbinic Judaism is in part a reflection of the religion of Moses, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and David. It's the religion of the rabbis, with a focus on the theocracy set in place by Solomon and his priestly allies, the Levites. I am not advocating for it. It is what it is, and our ancestors were largely all swimming in the Rabbinic Sea when they came to America. n nToday, the overwhelming majority of Jewish Americans have very little to do Rabbinic Judaism. How could they? Why would they? n nBut Israel is a "religious thing," not a piece of geography in the eastern Mediterranean. For the Jews, it's the "Land God gave us, the Land of the Covenant, the Promised Land." Why would most Jewish men and women in Los Angeles, Chicago or NYC, who are wondering which Ivy League school to send their kids to, adhere to an ancient mystery religion and inhale the mysteries at its core, among them the Covenant? n nIsrael is the place we long for—only if we have immersed ourselves in biblical and talmudic texts, only if we accept that the Covenant—like the sacrifice of Isaac—defines who we are. A man covers himself in a prayer shawl so he can immure himself in that reality, that sense of identity, which stretches backward through the ages. He wraps his tefillin, in order to cement the connection. What is that for 90% of Jews here? Nothing at all. n nBut there’s your dilemma, and there is no solution for it. The majority of Jews in America find "meaning" in leftist "social justice" rather than in the Ethics of our Fathers. I don't blame them, but they are heading down a dangerous path, if history is our guide. n nSurprisingly, it is the Jews of America and the UK who are most disconnected from Israel, and who long not to be who they are! Australian Jews, Canadian Jews, even French Jews—they are far more into "being Jewish." For them, Israel is "theirs," and so they are willing to fight for it, and certainly willing to "vote" for it! Here in the US, we're mostly "just Jews," not all that interested in "being Jewish," and actually somewhat embarrassed and put off by such an "affront" to our "individuality." n nWhy would any group like ours care about whether Jerusalem is Jewish or Moslem? Most Jewish Americans wouldn't. And, most don't, no matter what they tell pollsters.

    • rulieg says:

      outstanding comment. very perceptive. the urge "to not be Jewish" is very strong in us, hence the (correct) stereotype of the self-hating Jew. n nI also think there's another thing at play: American Jews who think Obama's just fine and Bibi's a whiner (eg my own brother) don't really think Israel is in danger. they know about terrorist attacks, of course, and they hear Iran spouting off. but they don't think the danger is real. n nsome of us understand that the existential risk to Israel is HUGE. but these liberal Jews can't imagine a world without Israel–after all, most of them have never known one–and they don't honestly believe that little country might not be there some day. n nthey'll be the first to say, when Tel Aviv is a smoking hole in the ground, "Gosh…we didn't really think they'd DO it…" but by then it'll be too late.

    • yamama says:

      Excellent points. But American jews are still holding on to customs, Bar Mitzvas (although some of them so outlandish, it boggles the mind) Jewish new Year, Weddings with yarmulkas, Hanukah, all the jewish holidays, and traditions. If they want "out", why hold onto it? It still identifies them as jews. nI have a friend who got married to a jew, who declared himself an atheist, but insisted she convert to judaism. That doesnt make any sense.I would have refused. nI think the American jews are a very confused mixed up people.

  12. MainesMichael says:

    Excellent. Really good. n nBeing a dual Canada/US citizen, originally from Canada, I can attest to the surprisingly large difference between Canadian and American Jews regarding identity, and 'groundedness'.

  13. Elie says:

    Question for MainesMichael:

    Where, may I ask in your view is the most cohesive and quality Jewish Community in Canada.
    I’m guessing we are talking about Eastern Canada more than British Columbia or Alberta. Perhaps Montreal or Quebec City, Toronto, maybe.

  14. SpartaRan says:

    Other than Gallup and Rasmussen, most polls use outdated data models that are not considered relevant for November. That aside, before they cast their ballots on Election Day, how many of my fellow Jewish brothers and sisters have or will consider the implications raised in the documentaries, "2016" and "The Project" or Dinesh D'Souza's latest literary effort, "Obama's America"? Who supports another term for a president recently chastised by The New York Times as being uncomfortable with fostering closer relationships with Congressional and world leaders necessary to overcome Washington gridlock? Who is completely comfortable voting for four more years of a failed foreign policy, demonstrated by the administration's attempts to dismiss worldwide Muslim rioting and the murder of Americans in Libya on 9/11 as a "spontaneous" reaction to a mostly unseen Youtube video, rather than a miscalculation by the State Department following the death of Osama bin Laden? Think it over before Election Day.

  15. Cynic says:

    ” However, that does give the GOP some hope for improving their lot in the future, since the Orthodox are the fastest growing sector of American Jewry. “r nr nYes, but the next four years could be critical for America and the GoP.

  16. Cynic says:

    rulieg,

    It’s about time that people stopped calling illiberal Jews liberal.
    Unless of course there is now a revisionist dictionary being used by the Left and Democrats with Conservatives too ignorant or scared to object to the deconstruction of their language.

  17. @ValDorta says:

    Things don't look great now but there is hope, as Jonathan says, and in two generations it will be very different. Conservative and Reform Jews don't have children while Orthodox have many. Same with religious, pro-Israel Christians. Read Eric Kaufmann's, Phillip Longman's or David Goldman's books or just check Goldman's "Spengler" articles about demography.

  18. Lougjr1 says:

    Please let me begin by informing everyone that I am not a Jew. I grew up in a Jewish neighborhood of which there were only four families on the block out of one hundred that were not Jewish. I went to a catholic school, but had many many good friends. My friends tried to sneak me into Hebrew school but I got caught and had to leave. We had a good time as kids. We didn't think much about politics then. I never realized how brainwashed the Jewish people are in the Democratic party. I found the Jewish people in most cases to be very intelligent so it perplexes me to understand why they are allowing themselves to be taken down the road to socialism. After all, Hitler was a socialist, true fact, To my Jewish friends I appeal to your good senses and make sure you be careful who and what you ask for because you may just get it. I support Isreal and just made a contibution to Rabi Yechiel Eckstein of International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. I would hate to think that a Christian would think more of Isreal than the American Jew. God help Us !!!

    • RAPHAELENNIS says:

      Bravo. I am Jewish but have more non-Jewish friends and associates than Jewish ones. I do not hide my Jewish identity in the slightest. I come from orthodox stock but I have strayed far from orthodoxy but still have strong feelings for my fellow orthodox Jews as well as Israelis. My non-jewish friends and associates cannot understand why so many liberal American Jews can even think of voting for a party who obviously despises Israel.

  19. PermReader says:

    I think that Obama was more realist when he talked in the past that the American Jews demand more taugh policy toward Israel` ambitions. The falling number of the pro-Obama Jews means his the deminishing popularity today.No Jewish appeals for Obama on the car bumpers!

  20. RoseSpice says:

    Every single tribe and ethnic group on earth has their own share of suicidally masochistic fools. No tribe or ethnic group is clean of them.

  21. Beatrix139 says:

    Israel is important to Jewish Americans as Ireland is to Irish Americans, and Italy is to Italian Americans. It's our heritage. It means we belong somewhere. We're not in America because we have no where else to go—we're here because we choose to be. We are accepted in America because of Israel. There is no comparison in the way Jews were treated before Israel and they way we're treated now.__Jews take it for granted that the liberals and Democrats will support Israel because they always have. That's they only reason it's not a priority_

    • ahadhaamoratsim says:

      Part of the problem, Batrix, is that most of the liberal American Jews grew up (as did I) when there was already a state of Israel, and in many cases do not remember (as I do) the anxiety of the 1967 war and the weeks before, when there was a well grounded concern that the Arabs might realize their goal of wiping out the Jewish state ch'vsh. Too many today have no experience of being marginalized for being Jewish, and too litlle appreciation of the risks Israel faces. Added to rampant assimilation, intermarriage, low-commitment heterodox synagogues that no one takes seriously and that preach politics instead of teaching Torah, and masses of totally unaffiliated Jews, and you have a Petri dish for sefl-destructive ignorance and delusion.

  22. Lougjr1 says:

    I will start by informing you that I am not Jewish. I was born into a catholic family and grew up_in a 96% Jewish neighborhood. I had the best of friends then and as children we didn't know much about politics and couldn't care less. As we grew older it became apparent that so many of them were devoted to the Democratic party. The Democratic party is not the, same party it was 75 or so years ago. It has become so far left that it is on it's way down to socialism and we know socialism is no friend of the Jewish people. Those of you that are old enough will remember that Hitler was a socialist. Fact! Mr. Obama and his socialist group are no friend of the Jewish people, nnot in Isreal and not in the U.S. Remember, by his own admission, he admits that he was raised as a muslim in his early childhood. He has a tendency to faver the middle east. He now wants to nsend millions of our tax dollars to Egypt that has been taken over by the Muslim brotherhood. The n Jewish people should wake up before it's too late. I always had a great respect for their intelligence and hope that they see the light before its too late !!! god bless you !!!

    • Lougjr1 says:

      Where is my comment ???

      • ahadhaamoratsim says:

        Sometimes there's a delay in posting, which is probably why your comment shows up twice.

      • Beatrix139 says:

        Good post, but though Hitler called himself Socialist, he was far right. His being on the right is one reason Jews feel more comfortable (and safe) on the left. But you're right, extemists on both sides are bad for Jews. Actually, they're bad for everyone, but Jews find out about it first.

  23. Lougjr1 says:

    Thank You Raphael Ennis, They evidently had to edit some of my message , but thats ok because I think everyone got the message. If you saw it then many more of my fellow Anericans nmust have seen it also. So thank you for your reply!!!

  24. Lougjr1 says:

    Everyyhing is ok, it has been taken care of. Thanks

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