One of the country’s most prominent Armenian-American lobbying groups said today that it is “troubled” by potential defense secretary nominee Chuck Hagel’s position on the Armenian genocide.
“We remain troubled by former Senator Hagel’s acceptance of Ankara’s gag-rule on American honesty about the Armenian Genocide – the still unpunished crime against a Christian nation that continues to define Turkey’s present-day policies toward Armenia and much of the region,” ANCA Executive Director Aram Hamparian said in an emailed statement.
Hagel has opposed official U.S. government recognition of the genocide, and has declined to say whether he believes the massacre of more than 1 million Armenians beginning in 1915 was in fact a genocide.
“What happened in 1915 happened in 1915. As one United States Senator, I think the better way to deal with this is to leave it open to historians and others to decide what happened and why,” then-Senator Hagel told a group of Armenian reporters during a trip to the country in 2005.
“The fact is that this region needs to move forward,” Hagel added. “We need to find a lasting, just peace between Turkey and Armenia and the other nations of this region. I am not sure that by going back and dealing with that in some way that causes one side or the other to be put in difficult spot, helps move the peace process forward.”
ANCA objected to the argument that official U.S. recognition of the genocide would hinder peace between Turkey and Armenia.
“As much as Erdogan and his allies might like, the ‘lasting, just peace between Turkey and Armenia’ that Chuck Hagel seeks cannot be built on Genocide denial. The U.S. and the international community must set an example by condemning the Armenian Genocide — and speaking out against all genocides, wherever and whenever they occur,” said Hamparian.
Hagel’s record has already come under fire from the pro-Israel community, gay rights groups and Cuban Americans. The latest criticism from the Armenian-American community, which has many allies and supporters in Washington, could raise more concerns in the Senate over Hagel’s potential defense secretary nomination.
They never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity, do they?
So many of these replies were to the post "Palestinians Burning Their Bridges"–I quite frankly don't know what's been going on with Commentary's online outlet lately. (Check my ID, it's all I've been talking about!)
Chuck Hagel is scum. n nThat's why he'd fit so perfectly into an obama government. n nLet's see what the Democ-rats of Jewish origin do on this one. Let's see how the Senators vote and what the big mouth House members say! n nConfirmation of Hagel will also be confirmation of what we Jewish Republicans have been saying about the Democ-rat Party since at least Andrew Young Week of 1979.
The Lobby discovered the Armenian genocide when Turkey turned hostile to Israel. When that worm turns, 'twill be forgotten again.
That sure ain't when the Armenians discovered it. n nThe article is about the *Armenian-Americans* and *their* statements. n nOh, we get it. Genocide is OK if the Jews publicly oppose it. n nWell, or are the target. n nOr any party linked to the Jews via consecutive sentences in a unified group of paragraphs or unlinked but published by the Jews is a Jewish puppet. n nWhatever. n nThese facile japeries are too shallow to skip pebbles off of. n nHagel sure as shooting did not adopt his position because of any thing the Jews or AIPAC or the Lobby or Mrs. Goldberg's Parlour did or didn't do. You can take that to the bank. Hagel did. n n.
still trying, Alana. to pretend that it really is more than the Israeli zealots who are campaigning against the guy? n nwhy keep denying the obvious?
what is your problem? Oh, now Armenians don't exist. n nYou know what's obvious here, doncha?
sure Armenians exist and if some lobbying group that is the largest in the Armenian-American community wants to say that it’s unhappy that Hagel doesn’t respond to its pressure….
A) it ain’t the same as the pro-Israeli lobby’s stance that Hagel must be shunned;
and
B) Armenian-Americans are a tiny, tiny percentage of the US citizenry, less than one half of one percent.
despite all the frivolous attempts to disguise and drum up
some allies to provide cover, the opposition campaign is all from the right wing of American Jewry.
Armenians exist and the largest of their lobbying groups from the Armenian-American population ( which makes up less than 1/2 of 1% of the pop.)says that it's "troubled" that Hagel didn't support its pressure to pass some resolution of no practical benefit to the interests in the US. n n nThat's not at all the same position coming from the American pro-Israel lobby, which is virtually the entirety of the public opposition to Hagel. n nAlana is doing her best to try to disguise it, but it's no more than the right wing of American Jewry that running this. n
.There is one other big difference between the Armenians and the Jews — the Armenians tend to be REPUBLICANS…. n nOK, it helps that Armenia was inside the Iron Curtain and people who have lived under the Soviet Boot don't want another on their neck, but the dynamics on this one are really interesting — Hagel has managed to p*** off an awful lot of people
Typical Armenian propaganda and intimidation. It has not worked in the past 100 years; it is not going to work now. The claim of genocide is based on a raciots and dishonest interpretation (or rather, misrepresentation) of history. It is a long discredited political claim that arrogantly ignores Armenian revolts, terrorism, raids, assassinations, bombings, treason, territorial demands, Turkish victims, TERESET, and more. What's left? What's left is what you read in the article above: pure propaganda…
Armenian are getting away with muder, literally. Who today talks about the fact that Armenian terrorists assassinated two Turkish diplomats in Santa Barbara, one in Los Angeles, and another one in Boston, in cold blood? n nAnd what about the million or so Azeri citizens expelled from their homes at gun point by Armenian soldiers (bot in and out of uniforms) in 1992-1994 war and still not allowed to return to their homes? Despite many UN calls for an end to Armenian military occupation of Azerbaijani soil? n nArmenians, apparently, asr slick at screaming, lying, yelling, demanding, crying, begging, intimidating, but not that good in showing empathy or tolerance to dissent…
"What happened in 1915 happened in 1915. As one United States Senator, I think the better way to deal with." If anyone can't make up their mind about that statement by Hagel, they should substitute "1939-1945" for "1915" and substitute Germany for Turkey. Turkey has been denying it's genocidal history for almost 100 years now, so it should be "let's bury the past, and the truth with it, and move on." Well, it's a point of view, I suppose, but not one that I would ever endorse.
Why has our US State Department been encouraging the formation of Islamic Fundamentalist regimes throughout the Greater Middle East? This is a direct threat to Israel. Christians of all stripes have been arbitrarily killed in Iraq, Egypt, etc. If only there could be regime change in Iran, Israel and Armenia would no longer be allied with enemies of each other.. I supported Jimmy Carter, but didn't know then that his administration engineered the downfall of the Shah and establishment of the current regime in Iran. The Shah was pro-Israel. The current regime in Iran wants Israel to disappear from the Middle East just like Azeri President Aliyev wants Armenia to disappear from the Caucases.
I am glad that someone has noticed that President Jimmy Carter organized the ouster of the last Shah of Iran and the installation of the rule of the Ayatollahs. Carter ousted the Shah in revenge for the Shah's not allowing Carter's brother to have a contract in violation of Iranian law, and Carter supported the Ayatollahs because they were religious.
The “Allied Media”, along with Protestant missionaries sent by ABCFM (American Board of Missionaries for Foreign Missions) in Boston in the last century-and-a-half are two of the main culprits which engineered this complex human tragedy. The other responsible parties are Tzarist Russia, Imperial Britain, Colonialist France and the Armenians–through their revolutionary, read terrorist, parties like ARF, Hunchag, Armenakan, and others.
The Case of Armenia (printed 1919) p:13 nArmenian National Union of America / New York n n"According to a credible report from a German source, which has been substantiated from other sources, the population of the Turkish Empire has, since 1914, been reduced by 25 per cent. 2,000,000. Turks have perished from all causes, and the percentage of the Turkish losses in Armenia has been heavier than elsewhere, since a considerable portion of Armenia has been invaded by Russia. This means that the number of Armenians in the Armenia to be, will be considerably larger than all the Turks in Turkey, as it is constituted to-day.“ n n nHOVANANNES KATCHAZNOUNI nArmenia’s First Prime Minister nBucharest, March, 1923 Manifesto n n"The Winter of 1914 and the Spring of 1915 were the periods of greatest enthusiasm and hope for all the Armenians in the Caucasus, including, of course, the Dashnagtzoutiun. We had no doubt that the war would end with the complete victory of the Allies; Turkey would be defeated and dismembered, and its Armenian population would at last be liberated. n nWe had embraced Russia whole-heartedly without any compunction. Without any positive basis of fact we believed that the Tzarist government would grant us a more-or-less broad self-government in the Caucasus and in the Armenian vilayets liberated from Turkey as a reward for our loyalty, our efforts and assistance." n n nProfessor Arnold J. Toynbee : nBritish Foreign Ministry Secret Service Department (War Propaganda Bureau) nParis Peace Conference Delegate (1919) nKing’s College London / Professor of Modern Greek & Byzantine History nDirector of Studies Royal Institute of International Affairs – Chatham House n nThe Western Question in Greece and Turkey nStudy in the contact of civilizations / (1922) p.226.227. n n"In attempting to express and explain the Turkish point of view, I am not seeking to suggest that it is right, or to deny the charges brought against the Turkish nation and Government for their treatment of subject peoples during the past century. Their crimes are undoubtedly exaggerated in the popular Western denunciations, and the similar crimes committed by Near Eastern Christians in parallel situations are almost always passed over in silence. At the same time, the facts substantiated against the Turks (as well as against their neighbours) by authoritative investigation are so appalling that it is almost a matter of indifference, from the point of view of establishing a case, whether the embroideries of the propagandists are counterfeit or genuine." n n nRear Admiral Mark L. Bristol, U.S. Navy nUNITED STATES HIGH COMMISSIONER n nOn Board USS ST. LOUIS At Sea. nEn route from Island of Rhodes to Constantinople, Turkey. 28 March, 1921 n(Upon visiting the region for 1 month) n“I see that reports are being freely circulated in the United States that the Turks massacred thousands of Armenians in the Caucasus. Such reports are repeated so many times it makes my blood boil. The Near East Relief have the reports from Yarrow and our own American people which show absolutely that such Armenian reports are absolutely false. The circulation of such false reports in the United States, without refutation, is an outrage and is certainly doing the Armenians more harm than good. I feel that we should discourage the Armenians in this kind of work, not only because it is wrong, but because they are injuring themselves.” n n nThe Adventures of DUNSTERFORCE nby the Commander of Dunsterforce nMajor General Lionel Dunsterville – Printed 1920 / London n n"p.231 The local troops, who were for the most part Armenians, dug very little in the way of trenches, and when urged to do so replied, ” Why should we dig ourselves in ? We do not want to dig ; cowards do that ; we want to fight ! ” They liked to line up in a row just behind the edge of the steep cliff and fire off their rifles at the sky ; they frequently did this when there was no sign of a Turkish attack and when the nearest Turk would be behind cover about 3,000 yards away. nAlthough we were in full view of the enemy’s lines throughout the tour of inspection, the Turks never fired a single shot at my party on this day, which shows that they had more sensible ideas on the subject of controlling ammunition expenditure than our local ntroops had. n n"September 12th ; A woman was shot by her lover on the next wharf at lunch time and her screams were dreadful – it was regarded as an ordinary occurrence. These wicked Armenians never cease their Mahomedan atrocities. Last night they raided a Tartar house and when Russian soldiers went to restore order, the Captain’s son was shot and the ship is in mourning to-day – No shelling yesterday. A nasty lull. After many interviews I met, in the evening, for the first time, a representative of the Daghestani-Mahomedans, who put the Daghestani point of view very clearly before me. We have restored order in the Arsenal and have the ammunition supply well in hand. Machine guns and Artillery also – the present supply can be made to last 6 months."
Massacre followed massacre in terrible succession; at Egin, January 2, at Harzan, February 12, and at Kara-Hissar, in March. In these slaughters hundreds, if not thousands, perished, and a long trail of desolation was left in provinces whose inhabitants were guilty of no crime, unless professing the Christian faith be such. There was a pause in the atrocities that lasted for so many weeks that Europe began to think that the Armenian question could be brushed aside as something whose interest had died under Turkish swords. In August the work of massacre was resumed, and at Posekan and Segurkan, near Tiflis, on the 14th of that month, the Kurds, ever foremost in rapine, whether acting on their own inclination or incited by higher authorities, worked their cruel will on the unarmed villagers. Several hundreds of Armenians were killed or plundered. n nSeptember 27 the Moslem fanaticism which had inspired the massacres in Armenia manifested itself in Syria, and ten persons were killed and many wounded in a Christian church in Antioch. September 30 Constantinople itself became the scene of fierce fighting, which raged for several days. The Armenians of the city attempted to present a petition for redress of grievances to the sultan. The procession of petitioners was attacked by Softas, or Mohammedan students, and later by the police, and more than two hundred were killed. These scenes went on until the remonstrances of the foreign ambassadors procured a cessation of them. n n
Massacres at Sivas, Van, and Bitlis, in Armenia, followed the signal set at Constantinople, while four hundred Armenians perished at Trebizond on the gth of October. Throughout Armenia October was a month of blood and horrors. Late in the month the people of the district of Zeitoun, a race of hardy mouutaineers who had managed to save arms or to procure them, rose in revolt against the Turks, and Turkish troops were sent against them. The Armenians generally were without arms, having been disarmed long previous even to the earlier massacres of 1893, atrocities of which the world heard little, and which have been dwarfed into insignificance by the slaughter of 1895. n nEarly in November 1895 it was estimated that in the series of massacres that immediately followed the outbreak in Constantinople not less than 10,000 Armenians perished, 1,500 at Balboort alone. All through November 1895 Turkish cruelty raged, and it is said that at Trebizoud, December 12, a second massacre took place, and that the Armenian bishop and five other ecclesiastics were burned alive. The Anglo-Armenian Association stated, on November 18, that 100,000 Armenians were then dying of starvation. n nThe attitude of Europe was one of observation. That the great powers remonstrated with the sultan frequently was true, but that monarch reckoned, and, as the dreadful consequences proved, accurately, that their jealousies would prevent them from going from remonstrance to action. So far back as January 1895 a European commission, representing England, France, and Russia, visited Armenia and saw enough to more than confirm all that had been said of the extent of the massacres, but its labors were greatly impeded by the intrigues of the Turkish authorities. June 18 the Porte accepted the principles of a scheme of reform suggested by the powers, and asked time for discussion, which was granted. The sultan, late in August 1895, rejected the proposals of the powers that the reforms in Armenia should be placed under the control of Europeans. October 16 the Porte agreed to accept a scheme of reform suggested by Great Britain, but a week later it was announced that Lord Salisbury was not satisfied with the extent of the sultan's acceptance. n nThe details of these reform projects were and are so much waste paper, and it is reasonable to believe that their publication only precipitated fresh massacres. Yet since June 1895 a fleet of warships, mainly British, had been off the Turkish coast, part of the time off Beirut, Syria, and latterly just outside the Dardenelles. Yet the discords of the powers kept the fleet at their anchors. Lord Salisbury, in a speech at the lord mayor's banquet, uttered words that, while indicating the responsibilities of the Turkish government for misrule, said the reforms must be carried out by the sultan. n nThe incidental effect of the English-American disturbance in releasing England from the demand upon her to interfere on behalf of Armenia may be understood from these words, written by Mr. Gladstone a day or two before the Venezuela matter suddenly engrossed English attention. Mr. Gladstone's words, addressed to the Rev. Dr. Parker as a representative of the nonconformists of London, were these: n n"We witness at the present momenta strange spectacle. The six great powers of Europe which between them spend over 200,000,000 pounds sterling in each year upon what are termed defenses, lie prostrate at the feet of the impotent Sultan of Turkey, who, with their cognizance, appears to prosecute massacres at his will from day to day. Presumably this is a condition of deep disgrace for us all-presumably now, and if it continues then finally and irrevocably. Which power or powers are to blame we know not. Ourcountry is quite able to cope not only with Turkey, but with five or six Turkeys, aud she is under peculiar obligations." The touch of apology for England here, Mr. Gladstone went on his letter to make more distinct, but entirely without other justification than that of English sentiment. n nOn about the same date Canon Gore said in Westminster Abbey, at the close of the Saturday afternoon service, that it seemed to him that the peculiar obligation under which England lay to the Armenians was commonly kept out of sight. They knew, he said, how, seventeen years ago, Armenia was on the way to obtain some relative measure of good government through the influence of Russia; how Great Britain intervened and prevented the carrying out of the treaty between Russia and Turkey; how, in the treaty of Berlin and the convention of Cyprus, England obtained her political ends and prevented Russia from carrying out her proposal; how, by serious pledges on behalf of Armenia, England baffled Russia and secured "peace with honor"; and how, nevertheless, England did nothing. Canon Gore added that sixteen years had passed, that tremendous massacres had taken place, that an ancient race was to a considerable extent exterminated, and that unless they were prepared to make sacrifices incomparably greater than any hitherto made, the cry of massacred Armenia would do nothing less than bring down upon England the curse of a righteous God. n nCopyright © 2000-2013 GlobalSecurity.org All rights reserved. nSite maintained by: John Pike nPage last modified: 11-07-2011 03:26:51 ZULU n
It is what is important for America not Armenia. While there are more than 10 million Armenians living abroad there are only 2.8 million Armenians living in their homeland. This alone, very much reflects on the well to do Armenians connection with the Republic of Armenia. Using as seen above, the unreliable Wikipedia as a source of credible research is another reason why we should seek the truth & not rely on telltales detected by honest Americans almost a century ago.
America and the Armenians nThe Reno Evening Gazette U.S. / November 14, 1915 ; n“Having imposed upon a committee of well-meaning but admittedly prejudiced American missionaries, the same agencies that have been engaged in reporting Armenian outrages which never had been committed are now trying to mislead Christian charity in America and Switzerland into furnishing funds for the relief of the supposed victims of the unspeakable Turk. nIt would not matter, so far as the country at large is concerned, but unfortunately there is danger that a self-sufficient person like President Woodrow Wilson will accept these stories of atrocities as truth, with no further evidence than the statements of Armenians who are directly interested in raising money for the support of themselves. Professional beggars who have bled their own countrymen for years are now trying to to induce kindly Americans to support them, not caring for whether the United States would or should not be imbroiled with Turkey and through Turkey with Germany…."
…Ambassador Morgenthau appears to have fallen a ready victim to the same smooth rascals that, by apocryphal tales of outrages, have procured contributions from their Armenian countrymen abroad and in this country and have lived in luxury on the proceeds for the last 30 years. The ambassador seriously notified the state department that the Turks had slaughtered “the majority of the Armenians of Asia Minor.” This “majority” now turns out to be 32,000 known to be hostile to Turkey and, therefore, dispossessed of their homes in Erzerum and Zeitun and interned in a district where they could be watched by Turkish troops — not killed, nor even dying. The English have done no more with German residents and even with English subjects of German birth and the Germans have done the same with English residents of the German states. If this country, therefore, does not want to appear foolish before the whole world it will refuse to be duped by impossible tales and will let the Armenians severely alone."
No denigration of Turks here, but an attempt to malign the character of Armenians.
Keep repeating this and maybe the millions of people who now call themselves Palestinians will disappear.
let's start with you–well, ur not Hillel so technically you aren't here to begin with