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Illustrating the Link Between Anti-Zionism and Anti-Semitism

The Commentator draws our attention today to the fact that Britain’s Sunday Times celebrated the anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz—the date that is observed outside of Israel and the United States as Holocaust Memorial Day—by publishing a cartoon depicting Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu as a hook-nosed thug cementing helpless Arab victims into a wall whose bricks are lined with blood rather than mortar. This is an apt reminder of just how low Europe’s intellectual elites have sunk and how deep the taint of anti-Semitism is baked into the political culture of the West these days. As the Commentator’s Raheem Kassam points out, in Britain as in many other places, the Holocaust is not a historical lesson of the product of 2,000 years of anti-Semitism and Jewish powerlessness as it is an excuse to depict Israel as a Nazi-like entity.

The cartoon will be defended as fair comment about Israel’s security fence that the Palestinians and their foreign cheerleaders depict as a war crime. That this strictly defensive measure was made necessary by the Palestinians’ campaign of suicide bombings that cost the lives of a thousand Jews in the last decade goes unmentioned. The willingness of Israel-bashers to appropriate the Holocaust to promote a new generation of anti-Semitic imagery is rooted in a worldview in which the actions of the Palestinians, or their consistent refusal to make peace, are irrelevant. If even a fence to keep out suicide bombers can be seen as criminal then it is obvious that no terrorist outrage or act of hateful incitement (such as the Egyptian president’s belief that Israelis are the “descendants of apes and pigs”) is worthy of censure so long as Israelis are standing up for themselves and refusing to be slaughtered as the Jews of Europe were 70 years ago.

In the face of slanders such as this cartoon about Netanyahu, the facts are almost beside the point. In order for it to be considered a defensible point of view about the Middle East, you’d have to believe the artist and the editors who condoned its publication know nothing of why Israel built a security fence or that the terrorist campaign that it was built to stop was preceded by repeated Israeli offers of a Palestinian state that were refused and answered with war. Can it be that no one at the Sunday Times is aware of the fact that the Palestinians again refused (or rather fled from it to avoid answering) an even more generous peace offer in 2008 and have consistently refused to return to the negotiating table since then despite an Israeli settlement freeze, Netanyahu’s acceptance of a two-state solution and pleas for them to talk without preconditions? Those are mere details to be ignored when the big picture you are trying to draw is of an evil Israel and its evil leader hurting the innocent.

While many have seized on the fact that Netanyahu didn’t do as well as originally expected in this last week’s election as somehow being proof that Israelis are rejecting his views about the Palestinians, this is nonsense. The point about the election is that Netanyahu’s basic views about the peace process are now so clearly endorsed by a broad consensus that encompasses not only the Israeli right but also the center and even some on the left that the election was decided on other issues. Though some would like it to be different, there’s actually very little to differentiate Netanyahu’s foreign policy views from those of Yair Lapid or even Labor’s Shelly Yacimovich or Tzipi Livni, who actually campaigned on a platform of reviving the peace process.

The point is most Israelis have long given up on the Palestinians, whom they rightly understand to be light years away from the sort of sea change that would allow them to recognize the legitimacy of a Jewish state no matter where its borders were drawn. So, too, do they no longer listen to a Europe where blood libels like the Sunday Times cartoon are seen as commonplace and just a more sophisticated version of Morsi’s hate speech.

Israel is not perfect and its politicians can be criticized. But this commemoration of Europe’s Holocaust Memorial Day with such slanders shows the inability of those who believe Israel has no right to exist or to defend itself to discuss the Israeli-Palestinian dispute without resorting to imagery like that of the cartoon or Morsi’s imprecations. Though Israel-bashers claim labeling them as anti-Semites is unfair, their reflexive use of Nazi-like blood libels illustrates the link between anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism better than any argument their opponents can muster.

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84 Responses to “Illustrating the Link Between Anti-Zionism and Anti-Semitism”

  1. @judyk113 says:

    You haven't got the half of it. Look carefully at the screaming victims embedded in the blood-cemented wall. I think that's Obama and even Gandhi who've been embedded along with Arab victims (also drawn with stereotypically ultra-hooked noses).

  2. richardarmbach says:

    If it is a security fence why is it substantially built on illegally occupied territory ?

    • ahadhaamoratsim says:

      Wrong as to where it is built and wrong as to 'illegally occupied'. That makes you 2 for 2.

    • Lougjr1 says:

      Because it isn't on illegal territory, The Isreali's faught a war perpetrated on them and won hands down. When one wins a war they keep the land that their people faught and died over That's the way I see it !!!

  3. K2K says:

    i would be speechless had I not just come from an accidental conversation at Whole Foods that deteriorated when I said the word Israel – and got a rant about American imperialism and how horrible Israeli Jews treat the… nI forced myself to read The Nation yesterday, two articles covering both views of Israel's elections, and even they grudgingly noted many of the points noted by Tobin above.

  4. Hans Moleman says:

    Criticism of Israel reveals itself as anti-Semitism when it holds Israel to higher standards than other nations. It is sometimes hard to see this phenomenon because no other nation on earth is as directly threatened as Israel. Is any other nation the victim of daily rocket bombardments into its territory, aimed at its civilians? Has any other nation been the daily target of suicide bombers? n nIsrael's legitimate acts of self-defense, even when they are as non-lethal as a security fence, are treated as if they are unparalleled atrocities. The critics who impose this ridiculous double standard think they can hide by claiming to be "true friends of Israel", who know Israel's interests better than the Israelis do. (Obama, Hagel, Walt/Mearsheimer, the EU, etc.) With friends like these… n nThese folks need to be called on their anti-Semitism whenever and wherever it is displayed. The Hagel nomination hearings ought to be used for this purpose. n nCriticizing Israel for defending itself is anti-Semitism, unless you simultaneously criticize every other nation that defends itself from attack. Anti-Zionism is by definition anti-Semitism, as it is directed at only one nation and one people. n

    • HillelA says:

      But we DO hold Israel to a higher standing, just as we hold the US to a higher standard. Israel holds itself to a higher standard with its "Purity of Arms" principle. And in the US, the debate over torture was highlighted by Senator McCain, who stated, "America doesn't torture!"

      • besht2003 says:

        A person who portrays the security fence as Auschwitz isn't holding Israel up to any standard–demonization is demonization.

      • @salubrius says:

        America does not torture. It defines torture in its criminal statutes, as requiring a "specific intent". Anticipating that waterboarding would result in some pain, when it was done to obtain vital intelligence, would be only a "general intent" to cause pain and therefore would not be torture as it is defined in the US Criminal Code. The Geneva Convention requires the US to outlaw torture, even of enemy combatants, but it leaves it up to the US to define the crime. This legal interpretation has been accepted by the Department of Justice but not in cases where its should be applied to terrorists who are enemy combatants.

  5. ldubinsky says:

    the cartoon dang sure ain't fair comment ……at all…. but it's also not anti-Semitic n n n nthere's a lot of ground between being unfair to Netanyahu and Israel and being anti-Semitic …. and trying to claim otherwise doesn't help us at all.

    • rulieg says:

      oh sure–what could be anti-Semitic about portraying a Jewish leader as an evil villain with a hooked nose, and the so-called Palestinians as perennially noble victims murdered by the Jew?

      • ldubinsky says:

        Netanyahu is an Israeli leader and not a leader of the world's Jews.

      • ahadhaamoratsim says:

        And in your mind, it is purely coincidental that the world's only Jewish state is demonized, held up to ridiculous and unique standards, and denied the right to self defense?

      • ldubinsky says:

        read what I said in my comment, but what you think that I said. n nand stop trying to imply that all criticism of Israel is critcism of Jews or motivated by hatred of Jews. n nsome is, some ain't. n nand for whatever it's worth, at least six different people ,in the comments on contentions, have called me an anti-Semite

      • ahadhaamoratsim says:

        So you are saying it's okay to portray an Israeli leader with stereotypical Jewish features, just as it would be okay to portray anyone else you don't like – Jewish or otherwise — with stereotypicall Jewish features. Nothing anti-Semitic about using caricatures of Jews to ridicule those you don't like, right? So if someone portrayed Chavez or Castro or Romney with a hooked nose or a Jewish star or both, that would be okay?

    • besht2003 says:

      Hook nose and Nazis = anti-Semitic trope. The anti-Semitic core belief is that the Jews/Zionists are the real Nazis–the next step is to state that therefore the real Nazis were the second-rate Nazis, indeed justified in what they did. Bibi? They are using Bibi as Der Jude. Blood libels aren't reasoned argument. The security fence is not a concentration camp fence walling in the Palestinians with blood.

      • AntiProp says:

        You're right that this is – literally – a blood libel, but both you and "rulieg" are incorrect about the "hook nose." It's simply not there. Look at the image, in which Netanyahu looks bad, sure, but not very much like the traditional anti-Semitic caricature. n nThere are strong reasons to express outrage at the publishers of this crude and offensive comic. The bone structure in Bibi's face is not one of them.

      • besht2003 says:

        hmmm, you are right about the nose, then again how about the bone structure of his hands? just a bulbous face and bestial CLAWS–this is the kind of image the Soviet Union used to crank out on behalf of its buddy the PLO when the PLO wasn't cranking them out: for themselves–this *IS* the traditional anti-Semitic demonization of the Jew as a blood thirsty animal that carries the blood libel

      • AntiProp says:

        I don't know what your point is. It's certainly crude, it's plainly slanderous, it's cynically sensationalist, it's demonstrably bigoted. In short, it's a blood libel. n nWhether or not it qualifies as "contemporary classical anti-Jewish hatred" is an academic point and is not particularly consequential. In terms of the image itself, it appears not to be "classical," and referring to a "hook nose" which does not actually exist merely provides apologists and deniers with an opening to discredit our justified outrage. n nPrecision: that's the name of the game.

      • ldubinsky says:

        look at the cartoon again—— there ain't any hook nose. n n nand where is anything in the thing that references Nazis? n n n

      • besht2003 says:

        but a blood libel–unless someone believes that a barrier built against terrorism on a largely quiet front is literally mortared with the blood of Palestinians–that this is printed precisely on Holocaust Memorial day caries the Zionist as Nazi meme. n

      • ldubinsky says:

        it was a lousy and offensive cartoon, besht……not an overtly anti-Semitic one. n nexpress your suspicions as other than a certainty

  6. ldubinsky says:

    you can say it George, and say it suavely, but you're not being true

    • g_jochnowitz says:

      Andrei S. Markovits, writing in the relatively progressive magazine Dissent, said in the Winter 2005 issue, “A new European (and American) commonality for all lefts—a new litmus test of progressive politics—seems to have developed: anti-Americanism and anti-Zionism (though not anti-Semitism, at least not yet).” nBy saying "at least not yet," Markovits was acknowledging that a change was likely.

      • ldubinsky says:

        no, George, he was saying that his opinion was that anti-Americanism and anti-Zionism was spreading on the left. n nthat's not what you're attempting to flatly say

    • HillelA says:

      The Times is owned by Rupert Murdoch.

  7. adam6214 says:

    The question of double standards is the wrong approach–we shouldn't be holding our enemies to any standards at all–it's none of our business if Muslims think blowing yourself up on a bus full of civilians is the highest form of heroism–we should hold ourselves to our own standards and do what we have to to make sure those with incommensurable standards are in no position to harm us. So, of course we don't expect the PA to allow for a critical press, and if we don't want to deal with them on those grounds we should never have started dealing with them in the first place; and it's equally obvious that we would all be appalled, including the most sincere friends of Israel, if an Israeli government started shutting down opposition papers. n nThe question of anti-semitism and anti-Zionism should be posed differently, I think–what is anti-semitic is presenting the Israelis/Jews as the only agent on the field. When you see someone saying that the Israelis or the Israel/Jewish lobby is doing this and doing that and controlling this and undermining that, and every other "character" in the story is either a victim or dupe of the Israelis/Jews, then we have an anti-semitic discourse on our hands. (I first discovered this method in reading the first chapter of Walt and Mearshimer's book–try it yourself: you will see that all agency in their narrative is granted to Jews and only Jews.)

    • Hans Moleman says:

      The double standard is to the response. Does Israel respond in a less acceptable way than any other nation (including our own) would respond to the endless attacks, atrocities, and provocations Israel suffers? n nThe fact that Islamists respond with murderous rage to mere insults puts them in a different category than Israel or any Western nation.. n nLastly, the madness of demanding that Israel agree to make concessions to people who demand their liquidation is the ultimate anti-Semitism. Where else in the world is anyone asked to do this?

      • adam6214 says:

        Yes, I think I misread you here–I was thinking double standards vis a vis the Palestinians and Arabs/Muslims, whereas I see you were referring to double standards among countries we normally assume have the same standards. Even here, though, there are problems–should Israel not retaliate even if Britain or France wouldn't in those conditions? Would European countries be anti-semitic if they held Israel to their own standards of appeasement and spinelessness? It may be that, regardless of their Islamophile rhetoric, the European countries would respond very aggressively to a string of suicide bombings or 9/11 style attack. In that case, they would be holding Israel to a higher or different standard. Maybe they would actually respond the way they say Israel should, though. That wouldn't be binding on Israel either.

  8. davidlevavi says:

    All this complaint amounts to nothing. Antisemitism thrives because it is cost free. Muslims treat cartoonists as combatants. Hillary Clinton and the DOJ recently had an amateur video maker arrested as a combatant and freedom of expression be damned.Only public expression of Jew hatred is without penalty. Comes a time to cease splitting hairs between anti-Semites and anti-Zionists and start slitting throats.

    • MainesMichael says:

      Exactly right. n nUntil there is a cost to violating the dignity and safety of Jews, facts will not matter.

    • ldubinsky says:

      you’re advocating slitting throats of people who insult the Prophet Bibi with cartoons?

      comes a time for you to stop eating out of the toilet, David as you’re about as crazy as an outhouse mouse.

    • ldubinsky says:

      you want to start slitting throats of people posting cartoons disrespecting the Prophet Bibi? n ncomes a time for you to cease eating out of the toilet, David, as you're talking stuff crazy as an outhouse mouse.

      • davidlevavi says:

        The wall wasn't built by Natanyahu alone. Its erection was supported by all but a very few Israelis and protects Jewish lives every day. Far more Arab blood is spilled every day by fellow Arabs than by Jews. Natanyahu maliciously depicted with a hook nose doesn't merely insult Natanyahu. It insults all Jews.Finally, Dubinsky–if that, indeed, is your name–I don't eat or drink out of toilets and I'm at least as sane and probably considerably brighter than you are. I don't know who or what whelped and raised you but you need to learn respect for your betters.

      • ldubinsky says:

        the building of the wall didn't and doesn't bother me, the cartoon, as I said, does bother me, and it's not anti-Semitic. n nslitting throats of people who disrespect Zionists with cartoons does bother me and I find your comment as vile and crazed as as the fatwa calling for killing Rushdie. n nI certainly do respect my betters and you best learn to flush before bobbing for breakfast. n n

      • ldubinsky says:

        I'm gonna guess that you ain't good at guessing.

      • besht2003 says:

        They hate Jews. Bibi is just the symbol of their blood libel Jew hatred. Slitting throats? Well. Maybe a blanket party.

    • charleston says:

      davidlevavi, n nbravo

  9. davidlevavi says:

    Reflection on contemporary British Jew Hatred on Holocaust Memorial Day demands a glance back at attitudes in Britain when the gas chambers and crematoria were fully operational. Anti-Semitism in England was rampant during Hitler's reign in Germany. George Orwell wrote at length about the hatred of Jews by ordinary Englishman at the time. Orwell also noted that only English Catholics were blindly insistent that the Vatican was opposed to the Nazis when every non Catholic saw plainly where the Church's true sympathies lay. The Irish sided openly with Hitler and the Nazis. n nWith their empire gone and America dominant in the world, the British–great sportsman when they were winning and pathetic sore losers today–detest America as well. You only have to read Graham Greene or John Le Carre or see a play by David Hare to pick up on the sour loser's attitude prevalent among the contemporary British chattering classes. n nThinking Americans need to rethink the "special relationship." The British complain that they don't want to be America's poodle. Fair enough. Cut the Alpo and boot them out into the bush. The British are not true friends and Britain is fast becoming as unimportant as Portugal. n n

    • MainesMichael says:

      They deserve their present status and they deserve their even worse future. n nThey will all be 'liverpool protocolled' (dehydrated) to death in their shitty hospitals while being 'nursed' by muslims who hate them. n n

    • ldubinsky says:

      yup, you're a wadheaded toilet threncherman

    • nacllcan says:

      To bunch Graham Greene and John Le Carre with the current crop of anti-American Brits and anti-Semites is inaccurate and unfair.

      • charleston says:

        why is it unfair?

      • nacllcan says:

        Because neither were or are anti-Semites, certainly not in the vein of today's British crop. Le Carre was truly smeared over, The Little Drummer Girl,. In a subsequent interview, (which i just looked up) he said, n n"No nation on earth," he says passionately, " was more deserving of peace — or more condemned to fight for it."

      • ahadhaamoratsim says:

        Really? Have you read the Little Drummer Girl? How about the disgusting weak, dishonest, greedy, corrupt, cowardly and pathetic Jewish characters in Tailor of Panama? Has LeCarre ever written a Jewish character who was NOT disgusting?

      • davidlevavi says:

        Greene an Le carre may be more talented than the current crop of British literati but their hatred and contempt of America and of Jews is no different. Graham Greene first literary success was a novel entitled “Stamboul Train” (retitled “Orient Express” in the American edition). Read it and and see if Greene's Jewish grotesques don't compare with 1930's cartoons in Der Sturmer or Scarfe's cartoon in the Times of London under discussion. Compare Le Carre's “The Little Drummer Girl with David Hare's “Page Eight” and see if they don't belong in the same category of anti-Semitic literature.For clear and brilliant criticism of Greens anti-Americanism see A.J. Liebling's New Yorker review of “The Quiet American.” For general insight into Greene's character, read Pankaj Mishra's NY Times takedown of Greene, “Don't Start the Revolution Without Me.”

    • Cbalducc says:

      These calumnies about the Catholic Church being in bed with the Nazis are tiring. Where is the evidence?

  10. jefffixler1 says:

    Perhaps one of the most under appreciated aspects of Jew hatred is its self -destructive nature. Britain is really exhibit number one! While the leftist media and and gutless politicians of Britain decry the crimes of Israel and the Jews, the rapacious slaves of Allah –allowed to immigrate in vast numbers to the British isles, quite unnecessarily by those same aforementioned politicians–have now established a formidable enemy enclave in what is left of Britain, with Sharia courts, pimp and rape gangs, pedophilia, and, of course , terrorism. Essentially , all the acoutrements of the cult known as Islam. The silly ,and mendacious Brits must take responsibility for their own self-immolation. I'm certain the Jews will go on, but of Britain….??? Oh, how the mighty have fallen indeed! And the incredible thing –almost unbelievable really–is the wound was self-inflicted.

  11. nacllcan says:

    There is another link beside the anti Israel one. n nThe visceral hate for Jews by intellectuals in polite society, under the knavish mask of anti-Zionism. is stirred and justified by something far more insidious and dangerous, because it is implicit and contains a large element of truth. n nThe modern world's central faith is the belief in human equality. It is this that licenses democracy. Yet Israel by its very existence, by its insistence on surviving, seven million Jews against 400 million Muslims, and not just prevailing against them on the battlefield but in every other competition, economic, technological, cultural, defies that faith. That is her crime. And that licenses otherwise responsible people in Europe and America, to indulge their suppressed racism, and support Israel's genocidal foes. n nWWII has came down to a fight between the ideals of human equality against hierarchic, anti-democratic racism. The Third Reich's Aryans claimed to be the equal of a dozen Frenchies, they could lick a score of Slavs; six, seven Untermenschen would neatly lineup to be shot dead by a single German bullet. V-E Day meant the defeat of that Aryan presumption. n nBut Israel refuses to abide by that result. She manages to survive 50 to 1 odds. She defies the core faith of our time. This is the problem. That has inflamed the Left, the Third World, and even otherwise tolerant human beings. Israel undermines their core belief. n nThe only way to defuse this deadly resentment is to explain it. Even as Israel contradicts the shibboleth of human equalilty, she adheres to that ideal. She is a humane, modern, democratic society. To cut her head and feet off so she will fit the climate of opinion, and sooth the Third World's hurt feelings, is monstrous. n n

    • jefffixler1 says:

      All true, and the Brits would do well to take a lesson from the Israelis and act to preserve their cultural heritage before Britain becomes just another Muslim hell-hole, if it's not too late already.

    • charleston says:

      excellent insight n nregarding: n nThe visceral hate for Jews by intellectuals in polite society, under the knavish mask of anti-Zionism. is stirred and justified by something far more insidious and dangerous, because it is implicit and contains a large element of truth. n nI was thinking the same. n nAntizionism IS because of antisemitism, not the other way around. n

      • MainesMichael says:

        We're so special. We have two, count them, TWO officially named hatreds directed at us! n n n n n

    • MainesMichael says:

      Exactly right. Well said. n

  12. HillelA says:

    You want a reasoned argument about slitting throats?

    • ldubinsky says:

      yeah, Dirty Davey there wants someone to give him a reason…. n nas the knucklehead seems not to have any of his own available to him.

    • besht2003 says:

      something of a digression still from the main issue–these cartoons are the propaganda justification for murder on a mass scale.

    • ahadhaamoratsim says:

      No, I want a reasoned recognition that no fair minded person (that implies possession of a mind, mind you) could have read David's post as endorsing murder, whether by throat slitting or otherwise. But that's too much to hope for from Dub or Trollel.

  13. shapira2012 says:

    “Artist & Editor ‘supposedly don’t know why security barrier is build”? Like hell they do. They condone this libel & hate speech/cartoons because they can, it’s cool & today its politically correct……..and they just hate Jews!

  14. charleston says:

    Former prime minister Silvio Berlusconi triggered outrage from Italy's political left on Sunday with comments defending fascist wartime leader Benito Mussolini at a ceremony commemorating victims of the Nazi Holocaust. n n

    • nacllcan says:

      Mussolini as a nationalist, populist and brilliant demagogue, was immensely popular across the Italian spectrum, including the Left, from which he came. Before WWI he was editor of Avanti the organ of the Communist party of Italy. Until he turned on them he was also popular among many Italian Jews. n nIf there were nothing to explain why so much of Italy was enthralled by him, if it was all unmitigated evil then it would be impossible to have any relations with Italy. But in fact there were good reason why Mussolini was so appealing and so popular for a long time. n nTo take the occasion of a Holocaust commemoration to go into a discussion of those reasons shows Berlusconi as less than the shrewdy he is drummed up to be. But that is all. n nThe citation says, he spoke at the "margins" of the event. I wonder what that means.

      • charleston says:

        oh well, that explains it n nIsn;t it typical of Jews to have their own agenda and try to prevent the greater good, and malign a popular, effective politician for the Italian people, by pushing their own interests… n nYes Mussolini was appealing and popular and made it possible for Jews to take long trips by train. n nAll dictators and monsters must at some point curry the favor of the people. Hitler, Castro, Chavez, Obama-the true nature of the beast becoms apparent after they have consolidated their power. n nI am not as forgiving as you.

  15. Empress_Trudy says:

    Oh what's the difference. CNN and al Beeb went on endlessly like shrieking zoo animals that if Jews were allowed to vote in Israel at all they'd go uber hyper ultra extreme far far far far mega super right wing. And when the final split came down 61 right 59 left they shrieked like monkeys that finally Jewtania is saved from the Jews. So a cartoonist draws something out of Die Sturmer for Holocaust remembrance day. Of course they do. And we're told to be grateful they still semi admit there was a holocaust at all. In a year or two al Beeb and al Guardian will be 'questioning' whether the holocaust even occurred. And if when we complain about that they'll whine that just because they want to exterminate all the Jews everywhere doesn't make it antisemitism.

    • MacDaddy31 says:

      Of course you are right. Just think about the mindset of the little cretin that drew this. He will go as far as the public will allow (which is pretty far, now) and then some to express his utter disdain for Israel and Jews. For every inch that the public (i.e. New York Times, Guardian, Mersheimer …) gives, persons like this will take a foot in moving the discourse to further levels of malevolency. That is why these certain publications and certain leaders and voices (i.e. Obama) – the inch givers – are so detrimental.

  16. ahadhaamoratsim says:

    I was asking nacllan. If he had read them, he might not think it was so unfair to lump LeCarre in with the other Jew-haters.

  17. mike smith says:

    No, he's astute enough to cut his losses when he sees which way the wind is blowing. (apologies for mixed cliche)r nr nIf you want to be pedantic about Semites, it would refer to both Israeli and Palestinians – it refers to the root language that they both speak.

    • charleston says:

      yes, semite refers to people who speak a semitic language n nwhile anti semite refers only to Jews- n nodd, don;t you think? but there it is!

  18. CincinnatiRick says:

    There is a cost-free open season on Jews in Europe…anti-semitism just took a brief vacation after WW2. When it comes to taking on a real fifth column in their societies and culture, their unassimilatable Moslem immigrants, they quail from the challenge. n nLet's be honest here…dealing with minorities is always a challenge for any nation. It is ironic that, by turns, some become sacred cows while others are pariahs and objects of scorn. The next time you make a derisive remark about some of the current favorite whipping boys, like Christian fundamentalist yokels, give it a thought.

  19. @UziSilber says:

    Unfortunately this anti semitism/anti zionism disease that infests so many European gentiles and Muslims is equally (and maybe even more) virulent among Israel's Jewish extreme left wing. The terrific hate they display for their own country is breathtaking.

  20. charleston says:

    regarding: n nIt is ironic that, by turns, some become sacred cows while others are pariahs and objects of scorn. n nHistorically Jews have submitted to every degredation and generally not fought back; pacifist or coward? n n Moslems, on the other hand, will not allow any of this kind of behaviors. They strike back immediately and viciously. So the Europeans fear moslems and have contempt for JEws. n nJews have to stop complaining and writing articles only they themselves read, and become more physical. n nAnd I know someone will say, 'we are better than that'…the sentence I hate most

    • MainesMichael says:

      Exactly right.

    • ahadhaamoratsim says:

      "Jews have to stop complaining and writing articles only they themselves read, and become more physical. " nThat is exactly what distinguished Betar from the other Zionist groups in pre-WWII Europe. The movie Defiance leaves out the important fact that the Belsky brothers were members of Betar in their youth. Krav Maga was developed by an athlete who had been a Betar member, and who incorporated the techniques that he had found successful in fighting Jew-hater gangs in Poland as a youth.

  21. MainesMichael says:

    Ploomie, n nWhich is the best Steven Saylor to start with?

    • charleston says:

      Mikey n nAnyone -they are all good n nI am almost embarassed to admit, I somtimes reread a book, forgetting I have read it before. n nI get them at a secondhand book store, or buy them second hand from Amazon- If you buy from amazon, try and find a seller who can sell you a few to combine shippng. n nAny of his books take you back to the smells and sights and life of ancient Rome. I always feel a loss when I finish one of his books, and come back to now. n nYou will also enjoy Suetonius, Twelve Ceasars, if you like historical gossip

  22. blackparrot says:

    The guy from Charleston says all that needs to be said. n nAs for "we are better than that," it is an invitation to disaster, to tell the world how much better we are than everyone else. But that's what the story of Joseph is all about, and yet—most Jews in the US, perhaps 80% of them, have no familiarity with the Bible and what it tells us about human life. They're no different from the slaves Moses led out of Egypt. The moment they crossed over the sea, they longed for the past—-and forgot Never Again. n nMeanwhile, those who followed Moses spent forty years turning themselves into a formidable fighting force. And neither Pharaoh's former slaves nor Moses himself "ate kosher." A mystery, no? n n n

  23. besht2003 says:

    I went over to its website–other than making out that they are upscale and trendy the whole thing passes completely over my poor head–there's an illustration of some British types playing soccer with a bomb labelled "Europe" trailing sparks from its fuse. One of the guys is David Cameron, the other two are decked out in playing togs, standing in a rough patch helpfully labeled "LONG GRASS." The callout remarks "They think it's all over … Far from it. By kicking Europe into the long grass, David Cameron has won time to work on the issues that matter to voters. Will his strategy pay off?" Maybe it was off market.

  24. watsa46 says:

    Antisemites are anti Zionists and anti Zionists are antisemites. nThe fundamental commonality is that they have both ill will towards the Jews. nThe rest is semantic. nWhy do Jews have constantly to apologize for their imperfection? Do others apologize. This is the guilt feeling principle at work and we Jews enhance and feed it time after time.

  25. ahadhaamoratsim says:

    Thanks for posting this. I am reconsidering my view of LeCarre. I had him pegged as a genteel upper class British anti-Semit, but the blog entry gave me a new perspective; he may simply be an equal opportunity misanthrope, and the anti-Jewish attitudes he remarked on in connection with the bombing death of the ambassador's son in Little Drummer Girl were not the thoughts of the author-narrator but rather those he attributed to the European press.

  26. cbalducc says:

    So you believe anything that comes from the cultist Tony Alamo?

    • charleston says:

      I was wondering when and if you would respond to the calumnies (hilarious choice of words) n nWould any evidence convince you? n nIgnore the evidence I present, attack the messager n nTony Alamo fabricated these photographs? n nSeems I presented you with much more evidence, which to everyone's amazement you manage to ignore. n nand, while I know nothing about Tony Alamo, I doubt that there is any larger cult than the Catholic Church, which has managed to convince their dwindling adherence of transubstantiation, virgin birth and papal infallibility and bleeding statues n n-not to forget the various bits and pieces of bones and entrails and organs, under glass, venerated by the remaining faithful, n nlet sleeping dogs lie-this is not the place for religious war n nbut please, don't you try and revise history n nwho you ganna believe, the church OR YOUR LYING EYES

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