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Sun, 11 May 2008 23:55:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: kaveh http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/chang/3055#comment-128449 kaveh Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:39:26 +0000 http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/chang/3055#comment-128449 hi dear friends! my name is kaveh. i was born in one of coastal cities in north of iran.i want to write my autobiography for you. because i think that i can transfer my sentiment you.i hope you judge about it fairly.although it is very shocking for you and your compatriots but i can not hold myself.i think it can prevent some of bitter events in future. but what happen for us? i am 38.i was born in 1970.from my childhood i have been some of organized crimes about us(i mean our families,relatives,...)but in that time i could not distinguish and discover them and i was thought that they was a natural phenomena.with passage of times my cognition increase gradually.but what happen for us? in outset i decide to classify some of shocking crimes about us.all of them have performed by some of satanists: 1-to make blind my father and tourture him for years and killing him finally. 2-to madden one of my brothers and sicken him too.in near future he will sacrifice.he was not crazy at all.he was accepted as medical student in tehran university with excellent score.he was similar others.one of his most problems was his sexuall standard.i mean if he had sex with female his faint could recover considerably.but a lot of persons was jealouse about our family and they divert realities and declared that he need to psychopathy. my parent was very candid and naive.but some of persons in my environment were like as wolf.and they increase his faint skilfully.they concentrated all of their efforts for our family frustration by calamities enforcement.they was very filthy,cruel,...in anyway my brothr went to psychiatrist .also he was not mad relative other iranian people,but psychiatrists madden him and they was very fool,ignorant,...in recent years the satanists sicken him too.i think he will sacrifice soonly. 3-to made lost my other brother in war times.his lost still is enigma!he has lost for 25 year. 4-to debase my personality from my childhood by means ignorant persons. 5-to excruciate my mother by different ways through shocking disasters imposition to her.i have hinted some of them above.my mother very kind,tender,candid,hard working,... she had experienced hard times from her childhood.but satanists impudently continued their filthy schemes about her latter.my brother(2) annoied my mother a lot.in fact the satanists tourtured my mother.because they was main culprit.they increase my brother nerve faint.my brother was not crazy.he was faint.his faintness was merely because of envirnoment and exogenous factores not other things. i mean because of satanists precence in our environment.any way my mother suffered again a lot.in finally the satanists sicken her too.and she martyred in very pitiful conditions after years.her martyrdom was very shocking for us.damn to satanists! 5-to lengthen my marriage trend on pretext to test us!?my marriage trend have prolonged for seven years.when i was studying in isfehan university(iran central city)i had recieved my okay about my marriage with a girl from kashan(one of desert and central cities in iran)but it has prolonged for seven years and from that times the satanists were claimed it clear after my brother sacrifice(2) and from that times i have been eye witness my parent tortures and martyrdom and my brother sicken,...and some of suspicious deathes my kins too.the satanists have diverted my marriage to soccer and football game and it is similiar to pass of mine field.i guess it continue to 2 years other.i mean after my brother sacrifice. i hope you dont tire from my statements.but why the Satanists have targeted us?it return to far years.iran had other government previously(kingdom dynasty of pahlavi).iran have been a lawless and very polluted and tainted from that times.one of my uncles was monarchist.he was killed and sacrificed in that times by his political opponents or opponent by a designed scenario in that times(55 years ago).he was very young boy.his main killer fled to overseas(perhaps Canada or france)and he was studied in medical course.later years he returned in iran and employed as medical professor.my other uncle complained him.but his complaint didn’t investigate fairly and he retaliated and killed his brother killer. This matter had extensive reflectance in Iranian media.on the other hand iran was ran by mafia bands. This events was first spark in order to form some of calamities about us in later years.but what was other factor?my father was a traditionalist and very naive and candid. He had religious relation with islamist Iranian leader(imam Khomeini) in that times. This factores was main reasons for forming calamities to us later years by Satanists(mafia bands).although the roots of disasters about us return in pahlavi dynasti,but most of them have incarnated in after Islamic revolution.why?some of Satanists have been claiming the roots of them return to my high school career ,other Satanists have been claiming irony me:come on drink tea(it refer to tea ceremony in hongkong).any way they said my situation is like as iran revolution(against iran king),…and my marriage performance is similar to moon rising,Iranian leaders rebirth,iran revolution,…they have concluded that I have to experience some of catastrophe in next years too!?some of them threaten me about my family massacre in future too.i notify you you can not discover their schemes easily.because they have satanic power and they perform their filthy plots skillfully. They live anywhere. Some of them have claimed that they are representatives of god.they are very reactionary,filthy,…they claim my parent have natural death and no one blinded my father,... They claim that I am visionary,liar!on the other hand they say that they want to test us!what happen in their filthy brains?they degrade my personality even in recent years on pretext to test me,but as matter of fact they want to continue their filthy schemes skillfully.they despise my personality ,when I was busied in office(commerce ministry) they have sham quarrel one another too in order to performance their filthy scheme.they made unemployed me skillfully. They have not permited me that I can speak with my selected women and they have not allowed me that to marry . they have jealousies with me.they have claimed my parent and one or two of my families were Koran matyres and sacrifices(Koran is muslims sacred books).spit to them .they are very backward,filthy,…they are racist(including of religious and non religious sects).they want every one accept their disgusting ideologies anyway. If one to be liberal and noble,they deprive his right and impose disasters him skillfully.do you observe such persones in your countries?they are monster really.they have incarnated demon and satan on the earth. I want you awaken your conscience. You judge about them.although I abhore to live in iran a lot and I wish to immigrate to overseas as soon as possible,and even I am learning to foreign languages now.in the present situation I have two idea:the performance my marriage with my selected girls or immigrate to overseas.it is not alternative at all considering my situation.i like to work in overseas.i like to work as interpreter or similar jobs. I hate my studying course(economy). The Satanists ban us and claim I must to wait for till my brother sacrifice.they play with me.they divert my situation to football game.they are very impudent and jealous and filthy.you may to ask me ,what kind females I love?i love adolescent(especially 14 years old),nymphet,kind,sensual,belle,vivacious,open minded,tender,busty,buxom,voluptuous,liberal,singer,musician,athlete,artist,…girls.i like that I can to have be a lot of mistress in future.i said I have received my marriage okay seven years ago,but its performance depend to my brother sacrifice!i have been eyewitness my parent,… tortures,martyrdom,…from last years.i have very crucial situation in present.i interest to immigrate overseas as soon as possible.from my childhood I had lovely personality and I was intended to have be ladylove.but my society culture have been very backward and reactionary.a lot of persons in iran are philistine,artless,rude and their traditional norms don’t allow they have be a romantic,human,…living.i want you see me..i hope my information can be useful for you. In the name of my mother I end my words temporary.i hope that I have could show facts . I hope you don’t tire me!thank you. Yours kaveh yousefzadeh exuse me!i want to notify that from last years there have been a lot of satanists in iran.you can not see my intentions at all.the satanists can madden one healthy person or sicken him(my brother was a sample).they can infect other persons to incurable diseases(my parent was a sample).the satanists enforce other persons accept their filthy and disgusting,reactionary,... ideology.if one does not accept them ,they impose differents disasters him or her in future.some of satanists impudently claim that they are representatives of god and they perform their filthy deeds by god order.as fact their god is demon.i hope you believe me.the diabolists doing their works skilfully.they live anywhere.they have been from last years in religious and irreligious masks.i hope you introduce all of them.my mother tourture and martyrdom trend have been extra shoking for me.they torment my mother from her childhood.they made blind my father and tourtured him for years and sacrificed him finally.some of people say me irony that my parent and one or two of my family was fallen in jug!(giant jug).this is iran!what do you think about it.do you think such persons are human or monster?then they pretend that all of disaster about them was natural.i mean natural phenomena and they say every complaint about their shoking crimes is similar to fighting with god!i want to say your opinions about iran need to amendment. they have been saying my marriage trend is time intensive and it merely clarify after my brother sacrifice(2) and on the other hand they divert my marriage to football and it is similar to passing of mine field.in meanwhile they claim all of my claims is futile and false and i am visionary and liar.i expect you show satanists at least. in the name of my mother i end my words temporary.thank you1 kaveh yousefzadeh pardon me.considering my crucial situation i have two plan in present : 1-to immigrate a foreign country as soon as possible 2-to clear my marriage with my fiancee or other girl that to be my selected.i love adolescent,nymphet,kind,teen(14 years old),open minded,lovely,sensual,voluptuous,lascivious,vivacious,musician,singer,progressive,cute,sexy,nice,...girls. although i recieved my ok about my marriage seven years ago,but the satanists dont allow my marriage to form.they always claim my marriage merely clear after my brother sacrifice(2).i have been eye witness my parent excruciation and martyrdom for years.the satanists assert that they are god order performers!they say my parent and us have been exposed god ordeal and test.this is their filthy idea about mankind!this is iran.this is their civilization.damn them forever.they accuse me as liar ,visionary. they say my parent, relatives have natural death. they claim no one sicken and blind my father and he was sicken normally and natural, and no one,... they claim that the origin of calamities and misfortune about us return to last Iranian regime(I mean pahlavi dynasty).it is interesting that most of them for us have performed in recent regime! .they have annoyed us from last years. .from my childhood I have confronted their schemes about us.they perform their satanic plots professionally.for example they can pollute water closet water or plumbing networks.they use a lot of filthy plots in order to kill their victims.i want you show facts and don’t permit my parent bloods,… be trample.i hope you unite me in order to smash Satanists in anywhere and in any form and mask.we must not allow that they continue to perform their satanic intentions about mankind. In the present situation I must wait for my situation to clear. But I want to speed up my situation.one option is immigration to overseas and it is my favourite a lot.other option is my marriage with my fiancée or other girls that to be my selected.again I expect you show facts clearer at least. In the name of my mother I finish my statements. Thank you. Yours kaveh yousefzadeh hi dear friends!
my name is kaveh. i was born in one of coastal cities in north of iran.i want to write my autobiography for you. because i think that i can transfer my sentiment you.i hope you judge about it fairly.although it is very shocking for you and your compatriots but i can not hold myself.i think it can prevent some of bitter events in future. but what happen for us?
i am 38.i was born in 1970.from my childhood i have been some of organized crimes about us(i mean our families,relatives,…)but in that time i could not distinguish and discover them and i was thought that they was a natural phenomena.with passage of times my cognition increase gradually.but what happen for us?
in outset i decide to classify some of shocking crimes about us.all of them have performed by some of satanists:
1-to make blind my father and tourture him for years and killing him finally.
2-to madden one of my brothers and sicken him too.in near future he will sacrifice.he was not crazy at all.he was accepted as medical student in tehran university with excellent score.he was similar others.one of his most problems was his sexuall standard.i mean if he had sex with female his faint could recover considerably.but a lot of persons was jealouse about our family and they divert realities and declared that he need to psychopathy. my parent was very candid and naive.but some of persons in my environment were like as wolf.and they increase his faint skilfully.they concentrated all of their efforts for our family frustration by calamities enforcement.they was very filthy,cruel,…in anyway my brothr went to psychiatrist .also he was not mad relative other iranian people,but psychiatrists madden him and they was very fool,ignorant,…in recent years the satanists sicken him too.i think he will sacrifice soonly.
3-to made lost my other brother in war times.his lost still is enigma!he has lost for 25 year.
4-to debase my personality from my childhood by means ignorant persons.
5-to excruciate my mother by different ways through shocking disasters imposition to her.i have hinted some of them above.my mother very kind,tender,candid,hard working,…
she had experienced hard times from her childhood.but satanists impudently continued their filthy schemes about her latter.my brother(2) annoied my mother a lot.in fact the satanists tourtured my mother.because they was main culprit.they increase my brother nerve faint.my brother was not crazy.he was faint.his faintness was merely because of envirnoment and exogenous factores not other things. i mean because of satanists precence in our environment.any way my mother suffered again a lot.in finally the satanists sicken her too.and she martyred in very pitiful conditions after years.her martyrdom was very shocking for us.damn to satanists!
5-to lengthen my marriage trend on pretext to test us!?my marriage trend have prolonged for seven years.when i was studying in isfehan university(iran central city)i had recieved my okay about my marriage with a girl from kashan(one of desert and central cities in iran)but it has prolonged for seven years and from that times the satanists were claimed it clear after my brother sacrifice(2) and from that times i have been eye witness my parent tortures and martyrdom and my brother sicken,…and some of suspicious deathes my kins too.the satanists have diverted my marriage to soccer and football game and it is similiar to pass of mine field.i guess it continue to 2 years other.i mean after my brother sacrifice.
i hope you dont tire from my statements.but why the Satanists have targeted us?it return to far years.iran had other government previously(kingdom dynasty of pahlavi).iran have been a lawless and very polluted and tainted from that times.one of my uncles was monarchist.he was killed and sacrificed in that times by his political opponents or opponent by a designed scenario in that times(55 years ago).he was very young boy.his main killer fled to overseas(perhaps Canada or france)and he was studied in medical course.later years he returned in iran and employed as medical professor.my other uncle complained him.but his complaint didn’t investigate fairly and he retaliated and killed his brother killer. This matter had extensive reflectance in Iranian media.on the other hand iran was ran by mafia bands. This events was first spark in order to form some of calamities about us in later years.but what was other factor?my father was a traditionalist and very naive and candid. He had religious relation with islamist Iranian leader(imam Khomeini) in that times. This factores was main reasons for forming calamities to us later years by Satanists(mafia bands).although the roots of disasters about us return in pahlavi dynasti,but most of them have incarnated in after Islamic revolution.why?some of Satanists have been claiming the roots of them return to my high school career ,other Satanists have been claiming irony me:come on drink tea(it refer to tea ceremony in hongkong).any way they said my situation is like as iran revolution(against iran king),…and my marriage performance is similar to moon rising,Iranian leaders rebirth,iran revolution,…they have concluded that I have to experience some of catastrophe in next years too!?some of them threaten me about my family massacre in future too.i notify you you can not discover their schemes easily.because they have satanic power and they perform their filthy plots skillfully. They live anywhere. Some of them have claimed that they are representatives of god.they are very reactionary,filthy,…they claim my parent have natural death and no one blinded my father,… They claim that I am visionary,liar!on the other hand they say that they want to test us!what happen in their filthy brains?they degrade my personality even in recent years on pretext to test me,but as matter of fact they want to continue their filthy schemes skillfully.they despise my personality ,when I was busied in office(commerce ministry) they have sham quarrel one another too in order to performance their filthy scheme.they made unemployed me skillfully. They have not permited me that I can speak with my selected women and they have not allowed me that to marry . they have jealousies with me.they have claimed my parent and one or two of my families were Koran matyres and sacrifices(Koran is muslims sacred books).spit to them .they are very backward,filthy,…they are racist(including of religious and non religious sects).they want every one accept their disgusting ideologies anyway. If one to be liberal and noble,they deprive his right and impose disasters him skillfully.do you observe such persones in your countries?they are monster really.they have incarnated demon and satan on the earth.
I want you awaken your conscience. You judge about them.although I abhore to live in iran a lot and I wish to immigrate to overseas as soon as possible,and even I am learning to foreign languages now.in the present situation I have two idea:the performance my marriage with my selected girls or immigrate to overseas.it is not alternative at all considering my situation.i like to work in overseas.i like to work as interpreter or similar jobs. I hate my studying course(economy). The Satanists ban us and claim I must to wait for till my brother sacrifice.they play with me.they divert my situation to football game.they are very impudent and jealous and filthy.you may to ask me ,what kind females I love?i love adolescent(especially 14 years old),nymphet,kind,sensual,belle,vivacious,open minded,tender,busty,buxom,voluptuous,liberal,singer,musician,athlete,artist,…girls.i like that I can to have be a lot of mistress in future.i said I have received my marriage okay seven years ago,but its performance depend to my brother sacrifice!i have been eyewitness my parent,… tortures,martyrdom,…from last years.i have very crucial situation in present.i interest to immigrate overseas as soon as possible.from my childhood I had lovely personality and I was intended to have be ladylove.but my society culture have been very backward and reactionary.a lot of persons in iran are philistine,artless,rude and their traditional norms don’t allow they have be a romantic,human,…living.i want you see me..i hope my information can be useful for you.
In the name of my mother I end my words temporary.i hope that I have could show facts . I hope you don’t tire me!thank you.
Yours kaveh yousefzadeh

exuse me!i want to notify that from last years there have been a lot of satanists in iran.you can not see my intentions at all.the satanists can madden one healthy person or sicken him(my brother was a sample).they can infect other persons to incurable diseases(my parent was a sample).the satanists enforce other persons accept their filthy and disgusting,reactionary,… ideology.if one does not accept them ,they impose differents disasters him or her in future.some of satanists impudently claim that they are representatives of god and they perform their filthy deeds by god order.as fact their god is demon.i hope you believe me.the diabolists doing their works skilfully.they live anywhere.they have been from last years in religious and irreligious masks.i hope you introduce all of them.my mother tourture and martyrdom trend have been extra shoking for me.they torment my mother from her childhood.they made blind my father and tourtured him for years and sacrificed him finally.some of people say me irony that my parent and one or two of my family was fallen in jug!(giant jug).this is iran!what do you think about it.do you think such persons are human or monster?then they pretend that all of disaster about them was natural.i mean natural phenomena and they say every complaint about their shoking crimes is similar to fighting with god!i want to say your opinions about iran need to amendment. they have been saying my marriage trend is time intensive and it merely clarify after my brother sacrifice(2) and on the other hand they divert my marriage to football and it is similar to passing of mine field.in meanwhile they claim all of my claims is futile and false and i am visionary and liar.i expect you show satanists at least. in the name of my mother i end my words temporary.thank you1
kaveh yousefzadeh
pardon me.considering my crucial situation i have two plan in present :
1-to immigrate a foreign country as soon as possible
2-to clear my marriage with my fiancee or other girl that to be my selected.i love adolescent,nymphet,kind,teen(14 years old),open minded,lovely,sensual,voluptuous,lascivious,vivacious,musician,singer,progressive,cute,sexy,nice,…girls.
although i recieved my ok about my marriage seven years ago,but the satanists dont allow my marriage to form.they always claim my marriage merely clear after my brother sacrifice(2).i have been eye witness my parent excruciation and martyrdom for years.the satanists assert that they are god order performers!they say my parent and us have been exposed god ordeal and test.this is their filthy idea about mankind!this is iran.this is their civilization.damn them forever.they accuse me as liar ,visionary. they say my parent, relatives have natural death. they claim no one sicken and blind my father and he was sicken normally and natural, and no one,… they claim that the origin of calamities and misfortune about us return to last Iranian regime(I mean pahlavi dynasty).it is interesting that most of them for us have performed in recent regime! .they have annoyed us from last years. .from my childhood I have confronted their schemes about us.they perform their satanic plots professionally.for example they can pollute water closet water or plumbing networks.they use a lot of filthy plots in order to kill their victims.i want you show facts and don’t permit my parent bloods,… be trample.i hope you unite me in order to smash Satanists in anywhere and in any form and mask.we must not allow that they continue to perform their satanic intentions about mankind.
In the present situation I must wait for my situation to clear. But I want to speed up my situation.one option is immigration to overseas and it is my favourite a lot.other option is my marriage with my fiancée or other girls that to be my selected.again I expect you show facts clearer at least. In the name of my mother I finish my statements. Thank you.
Yours kaveh yousefzadeh

]]> By: lester http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/chang/3055#comment-115393 lester Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:47:41 +0000 http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/chang/3055#comment-115393 william lind is like the father of the whole modern military 4gw studies thing that neo nerds like Thomas Barnett and Max boot have made a living off of. I agree about isolationism, too bad your side keeps isolating us with your empty war mongering william lind is like the father of the whole modern military 4gw studies thing that neo nerds like Thomas Barnett and Max boot have made a living off of.

I agree about isolationism, too bad your side keeps isolating us with your empty war mongering

]]> By: Rininger http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/chang/3055#comment-115175 Rininger Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:33:22 +0000 http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/chang/3055#comment-115175 James Cook, William Lind is the sort of fruitcake touted as an expert by the other nut-jobs at www.lewrockwell.com He suggests many things, nearly all of them stupid and disingenuous. Isolationism is not an option in this day and age--not that it ever was. James Cook,

William Lind is the sort of fruitcake touted as an expert by the other nut-jobs at http://www.lewrockwell.com He suggests many things, nearly all of them stupid and disingenuous. Isolationism is not an option in this day and age–not that it ever was.

]]> By: James Cook http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/chang/3055#comment-114762 James Cook Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:07:56 +0000 http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/chang/3055#comment-114762 The military strategist William Lind suggests that our forces in Iraq may well be encircled by Iranian forces and their Shia allies in Iraq who would see an attack on Iran was an attack on the heartland of Shia islam He believes that the US forces would be trapped ,and find great difficult to withdraw from Iraq...and that the closing of the Gulf would have catastrophic effects on the US economy and on domestic politics. This would see the end of US authority in the Mid east The military strategist William Lind suggests that our forces in Iraq may well be encircled by Iranian forces and their Shia allies in Iraq who would see an attack on Iran was an attack on the heartland of Shia islam
He believes that the US forces would be trapped ,and find great difficult to withdraw from Iraq…and that the closing of the Gulf would have catastrophic effects on the US economy and on domestic politics. This would see the end of US authority in the Mid east

]]> By: lester http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/chang/3055#comment-114736 lester Wed, 26 Mar 2008 14:01:47 +0000 http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/chang/3055#comment-114736 "It’s going to happen. Get your hankies ready, troll." the "youth" who by the way are so numerous because their parents were all killed in the iran iraq war which we supported saddam fully in, will cheer the bombing of their own country. "ts humanitarian policies." lol “It’s going to happen. Get your hankies ready, troll.”

the “youth” who by the way are so numerous because their parents were all killed in the iran iraq war which we supported saddam fully in, will cheer the bombing of their own country.

“ts humanitarian policies.”

lol

]]> By: Rininger http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/chang/3055#comment-114632 Rininger Wed, 26 Mar 2008 07:26:27 +0000 http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/chang/3055#comment-114632 YbA, I'll always be hostile to those who oppose my country and its humanitarian policies. Only deceptive rodents hide behind civility when they preach ant-American hatred. How do you suppose the youth of Iran will be coerced to die for the mullahs? your mullah masters could as soon turn water to wine. Just ask Saint Obamesiah. Destroying Iran's nuclear capability is more than just viable--it's simple and necessary. It's going to happen. Get your hankies ready, troll. YbA,

I’ll always be hostile to those who oppose my country and its humanitarian policies. Only deceptive rodents hide behind civility when they preach ant-American hatred.

How do you suppose the youth of Iran will be coerced to die for the mullahs? your mullah masters could as soon turn water to wine. Just ask Saint Obamesiah.

Destroying Iran’s nuclear capability is more than just viable–it’s simple and necessary.

It’s going to happen. Get your hankies ready, troll.

]]> By: YbA http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/chang/3055#comment-114534 YbA Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:03:09 +0000 http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/chang/3055#comment-114534 Rininger Thanks for your comment. I'm not sure why your so hostile in your comments - I guess civil discourse is dead on the Right eh? Anyways, I never said the youth would willingly fight for the regime - they would probably, as you noted yourself in the Iraq-Iran war, be forced to fight for the regime, and in massive numbers. I note that you still haven't provided a viable alternative eg. like J E Dyers which was well thought out and provoking - I guess your advocating war with Iran? Rininger

Thanks for your comment. I’m not sure why your so hostile in your comments - I guess civil discourse is dead on the Right eh?

Anyways, I never said the youth would willingly fight for the regime - they would probably, as you noted yourself in the Iraq-Iran war, be forced to fight for the regime, and in massive numbers.

I note that you still haven’t provided a viable alternative eg. like J E Dyers which was well thought out and provoking - I guess your advocating war with Iran?

]]> By: lester http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/chang/3055#comment-114433 lester Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:37:41 +0000 http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/chang/3055#comment-114433 "The modern youth of Iran hate the mullahs with an undying hatred," this is a myth. I think it can be traced to janitor turned "scholar" bernard lewis's fallcy that countries with leaders who hate is have people that love us, which was disasterously disproven by the iraq war “The modern youth of Iran hate the mullahs with an undying hatred,”

this is a myth. I think it can be traced to janitor turned “scholar” bernard lewis’s fallcy that countries with leaders who hate is have people that love us, which was disasterously disproven by the iraq war

]]> By: tom truthful http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/chang/3055#comment-114419 tom truthful Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:25:24 +0000 http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/chang/3055#comment-114419 I agree that we should "look at the price of oil and gas as a national security issue of the first order", but not in the insane way you do. The Imperial policies of the USofA will take care of your other wish - to destroy the global economy to save it - once St. John is ensconced as the new Commander and Thief. Then the glorious dreams of the revolutionaries raised under Reagun's gentle hand will finally see the fruition of all that is holy, and right about our fearless Superpower hegemony! "His truth goes marching on!" I agree that we should “look at the price of oil and gas as a national security issue of the first order”, but not in the insane way you do.
The Imperial policies of the USofA will take care of your other wish - to destroy the global economy to save it - once St. John is ensconced as the new Commander and Thief.
Then the glorious dreams of the revolutionaries raised under Reagun’s gentle hand will finally see the fruition of all that is holy, and right about our fearless Superpower hegemony!
“His truth goes marching on!”

]]> By: E. C. S http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/chang/3055#comment-114392 E. C. S Tue, 25 Mar 2008 08:12:10 +0000 http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/chang/3055#comment-114392 Surely what we should do is; find an alternative to their blood-stained product. Surely what we should do is; find an alternative to their blood-stained product.

]]> By: Rininger http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/chang/3055#comment-114379 Rininger Tue, 25 Mar 2008 06:37:23 +0000 http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/chang/3055#comment-114379 YbA, you farking phony--children were prodded at gunpoint in the Iran/Iraq war to commit suicide. They were forced to cross mine fields without gaining any military advantage for the sick-ass mullahs, you contemptible animal. The modern youth of Iran hate the mullahs with an undying hatred, and you farking know it. Why don't you "suggest" to the rest of us why you claim they would willingly die for the mullahs who oppress them? Iranians are suffering now. Who is laughing? I want to see them freed from tyranny. You obviously don't. YbA,

you farking phony–children were prodded at gunpoint in the Iran/Iraq war to commit suicide. They were forced to cross mine fields without gaining any military advantage for the sick-ass mullahs, you contemptible animal.

The modern youth of Iran hate the mullahs with an undying hatred, and you farking know it. Why don’t you “suggest” to the rest of us why you claim they would willingly die for the mullahs who oppress them?

Iranians are suffering now. Who is laughing? I want to see them freed from tyranny. You obviously don’t.

]]> By: YbA http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/chang/3055#comment-114361 YbA Tue, 25 Mar 2008 03:57:43 +0000 http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/chang/3055#comment-114361 J E Dyer Thanks for the well thought out response (unusual for a lot of the posters here on Contentions!) J E Dyer

Thanks for the well thought out response (unusual for a lot of the posters here on Contentions!)

]]> By: J.E. Dyer http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/chang/3055#comment-114359 J.E. Dyer Tue, 25 Mar 2008 03:43:12 +0000 http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/chang/3055#comment-114359 YbA -- Actually, I have considered this at some length. Be assured that I haven't failed to assess the costs. In fact, I pointed out, in a contentions response a couple of days ago, that Victor Davis Hanson (while visiting our forces in Iraq) recorded that their greatest concern about a US military action against Iran is that it would have repercussions for the situation in Iraq. A focused, "surgical" strike that took out only the nuclear-related facilities would be the worst mistake we could make, because it would leave Iran with its military intact and its current leadership both infuriated, and comparatively little undermined with the Iranian people. It's even quite possible that such an attack would have a unifying effect on Iranian public sentiment. We do need to realize, in assessing any course of action, that Iran is already plotting to attack US forces in Iraq, as well as sponsoring terrorist plots against Israel, the US, and other Western nations. The error is in suggesting that Iran will "start" doing that AFTER an attack on its nuclear facilities. There is no state of peace with Iran now, in these terms. That war is already underway. The most effective thing we could do, to avert increased urgency, and a temporary increase in the frequency, of Iran-backed terror attacks and plots, would be to regime-change Iran. That, however, is not currently feasible from a military standpoint -- not necessarily because of the backlash it might provoke in Iraq or against Israel, but because it would require more force than we can muster without leaving our other global commitments denuded. The most feasible and effective option is, in fact, to attack not just Iran's nuclear facilities but the military resources she relies on for her security, and that she would use to try to attack Iraq (including US forces) or Persian Gulf shipping. Unlike regime-change, which would require a major ground invasion, this option could be accomplished with air strikes and special ops insertion -- and we could do it again much more readily than Iran can repair the damage. Destroying Iran's air and naval defense systems would render her acutely vulnerable to further punitive action, should Iran try to disrupt the oilfields and oil platforms along the Gulf. It's not that I don't see the difficulty of making the political decision to do this. What I'm pointing out is that it is a feasible option that would be more effective than anything else; and rather than make that difficult political decision, a lot of people seem to be prepared to invite economic destruction on America, which yet offers no guarantees of achieving the ultimate goal: preventing Iran from becoming a nuclear power. Trying to artificially drum oil out of its place in the modern world IS guaranteed to inflict grave, politically destabilizing harm on the global economy, starting with ours. But it is NOT guaranteed to keep Iran from going nuclear. It's a terrible approach to the problem. YbA — Actually, I have considered this at some length. Be assured that I haven’t failed to assess the costs. In fact, I pointed out, in a contentions response a couple of days ago, that Victor Davis Hanson (while visiting our forces in Iraq) recorded that their greatest concern about a US military action against Iran is that it would have repercussions for the situation in Iraq.

A focused, “surgical” strike that took out only the nuclear-related facilities would be the worst mistake we could make, because it would leave Iran with its military intact and its current leadership both infuriated, and comparatively little undermined with the Iranian people. It’s even quite possible that such an attack would have a unifying effect on Iranian public sentiment.

We do need to realize, in assessing any course of action, that Iran is already plotting to attack US forces in Iraq, as well as sponsoring terrorist plots against Israel, the US, and other Western nations. The error is in suggesting that Iran will “start” doing that AFTER an attack on its nuclear facilities. There is no state of peace with Iran now, in these terms. That war is already underway.

The most effective thing we could do, to avert increased urgency, and a temporary increase in the frequency, of Iran-backed terror attacks and plots, would be to regime-change Iran. That, however, is not currently feasible from a military standpoint — not necessarily because of the backlash it might provoke in Iraq or against Israel, but because it would require more force than we can muster without leaving our other global commitments denuded.

The most feasible and effective option is, in fact, to attack not just Iran’s nuclear facilities but the military resources she relies on for her security, and that she would use to try to attack Iraq (including US forces) or Persian Gulf shipping. Unlike regime-change, which would require a major ground invasion, this option could be accomplished with air strikes and special ops insertion — and we could do it again much more readily than Iran can repair the damage. Destroying Iran’s air and naval defense systems would render her acutely vulnerable to further punitive action, should Iran try to disrupt the oilfields and oil platforms along the Gulf.

It’s not that I don’t see the difficulty of making the political decision to do this. What I’m pointing out is that it is a feasible option that would be more effective than anything else; and rather than make that difficult political decision, a lot of people seem to be prepared to invite economic destruction on America, which yet offers no guarantees of achieving the ultimate goal: preventing Iran from becoming a nuclear power.

Trying to artificially drum oil out of its place in the modern world IS guaranteed to inflict grave, politically destabilizing harm on the global economy, starting with ours. But it is NOT guaranteed to keep Iran from going nuclear. It’s a terrible approach to the problem.

]]> By: YbA http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/chang/3055#comment-114344 YbA Tue, 25 Mar 2008 03:04:57 +0000 http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/chang/3055#comment-114344 J E Dyer You need to assess the cost to the US of undertaking such a war with Iran. At it stands currently, US troops would be easily attacked with retaliatory attacks in Iraq (the Iranians no doubt have solid information on US troops positions, numbers, activities etc) - the Iranians could also damage the oil infrastructure of the region (with massive oil/fuel increases, and the fury of the rest of the developed/ing world against the US), Iran could commence terrorist activities against US interests with proxies and their own forces and possibly cause the Iraqi Shi'ites to revolt which would be extremely unpleasant for US troops. The war option was probably the best bet before Iraq but is now arguably too costly and difficult and I don't think, with the exception of some particularly overt attack on US interests, that any significant US politician will advocate such an attack. J E Dyer

You need to assess the cost to the US of undertaking such a war with Iran.

At it stands currently, US troops would be easily attacked with retaliatory attacks in Iraq (the Iranians no doubt have solid information on US troops positions, numbers, activities etc) - the Iranians could also damage the oil infrastructure of the region (with massive oil/fuel increases, and the fury of the rest of the developed/ing world against the US), Iran could commence terrorist activities against US interests with proxies and their own forces and possibly cause the Iraqi Shi’ites to revolt which would be extremely unpleasant for US troops.

The war option was probably the best bet before Iraq but is now arguably too costly and difficult and I don’t think, with the exception of some particularly overt attack on US interests, that any significant US politician will advocate such an attack.

]]> By: J.E. Dyer http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/chang/3055#comment-114337 J.E. Dyer Tue, 25 Mar 2008 02:39:41 +0000 http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/chang/3055#comment-114337 This is interesting. We should destroy our own economy rather than simply attack Iran and destroy its nuclear program, its air and naval defenses, and its western-deployed military resources (the ones that are used to meddle in Iraq)? The alternative to cutting off our nose to spite Iran isn't letting Iran have nuclear weapons -- it's attacking Iran militarily, so that we don't have to try to starve Iran out by pointing a howitzer at our own economy and firing. This is interesting. We should destroy our own economy rather than simply attack Iran and destroy its nuclear program, its air and naval defenses, and its western-deployed military resources (the ones that are used to meddle in Iraq)?

The alternative to cutting off our nose to spite Iran isn’t letting Iran have nuclear weapons — it’s attacking Iran militarily, so that we don’t have to try to starve Iran out by pointing a howitzer at our own economy and firing.

]]> By: YbA http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/chang/3055#comment-114320 YbA Tue, 25 Mar 2008 01:31:45 +0000 http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/chang/3055#comment-114320 Rininger The youth fought in massive numbers in the Iraq-Iran war didn't they? Nationalism and religion are strong influences and I don't think they could be easily discounted, especially in times of economic crisis. I guess I could suggest that the Iranian economy collapses, everyone starts starving, and the youth rise up - and are killed by the Revolutionary Guards run by the Mullahs? Instead of laughing, perhaps you can suggest what other plausible alternative you have in such circumstances? Rininger

The youth fought in massive numbers in the Iraq-Iran war didn’t they? Nationalism and religion are strong influences and I don’t think they could be easily discounted, especially in times of economic crisis.

I guess I could suggest that the Iranian economy collapses, everyone starts starving, and the youth rise up - and are killed by the Revolutionary Guards run by the Mullahs? Instead of laughing, perhaps you can suggest what other plausible alternative you have in such circumstances?

]]> By: Rininger http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/chang/3055#comment-114318 Rininger Tue, 25 Mar 2008 01:23:47 +0000 http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/chang/3055#comment-114318 Just another reason why gas is too expensive. The American government should definitely manipulate the "market" in its favor. I'm pretty sure the country can survive the dire threat of global warming. YbA, your comment about Iran's youth fighting for the mullahs was hilarious. Maybe the New York Times editorial staff will join the Marines and fight terrorists in Iraq? Thanks for the laughs. Just another reason why gas is too expensive. The American government should definitely manipulate the “market” in its favor. I’m pretty sure the country can survive the dire threat of global warming.

YbA, your comment about Iran’s youth fighting for the mullahs was hilarious. Maybe the New York Times editorial staff will join the Marines and fight terrorists in Iraq? Thanks for the laughs.

]]> By: Dellis http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/chang/3055#comment-114317 Dellis Tue, 25 Mar 2008 01:22:22 +0000 http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/chang/3055#comment-114317 A $10 gas tax would have to be phased in over a substantial period to give suppliers time to adjust their product offerings and consumers time to adjust their commutes. It probably would not solve our short-term Iran problem, but it would help solve our long-term oil import dependency, our hostile petro-state subsidization, and our carbon emissions issues. A $10 gas tax would have to be phased in over a substantial period to give suppliers time to adjust their product offerings and consumers time to adjust their commutes. It probably would not solve our short-term Iran problem, but it would help solve our long-term oil import dependency, our hostile petro-state subsidization, and our carbon emissions issues.

]]> By: Li Ivy http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/chang/3055#comment-114310 Li Ivy Tue, 25 Mar 2008 01:02:31 +0000 http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/chang/3055#comment-114310 A ten dollars a gallon tax on gasoline means, maybe, fifty dollars per gallon at the pump. The Shi'ites would not have to bother with oil-less Israel. A ten dollars a gallon tax on gasoline means, maybe, fifty dollars per gallon at the pump. The Shi’ites would not have to bother with oil-less Israel.

]]> By: YbA http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/chang/3055#comment-114289 YbA Mon, 24 Mar 2008 23:45:31 +0000 http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/chang/3055#comment-114289 There is also one other situation which could arise from an Iranian economic collapse (resulting from US/global recession): war. Iran has a massive young population - in the event of significant economic deterioration they may conclude that a war is the best option to utilise those youth - say, annexing the Shi'ite heartlands of Iraq, or the Shi'ite portions of Afghanistan or even Azerbaijan? I'm not even sure the US could handle such a significant conflict under those financial circumstances? oao Morris/Pryce-Jones are probably right on this - if Iran gets the bomb they will probably use it to wipe out Israel. I think this is the case because even the casualties, even of the Mullahs themselves and their martyrdom, is not the significant factor in their thinking - perhaps they think that wiping out Israel would be the greatest political coup for Shi'ites in the Islamic world - they could demonstrate that it was their strength and success (rather than Sunni Muslim efforts - read Saudi) which led to the total defeat of this great enemy. Additionally, they could always restore their surviving population through birth control policies (similar to Khomeini's in the 80's) - supplemented by Shi'ites from the diaspora (eg. Lebanon, Bahrain, Saudi etc). There is also one other situation which could arise from an Iranian economic collapse (resulting from US/global recession): war. Iran has a massive young population - in the event of significant economic deterioration they may conclude that a war is the best option to utilise those youth - say, annexing the Shi’ite heartlands of Iraq, or the Shi’ite portions of Afghanistan or even Azerbaijan? I’m not even sure the US could handle such a significant conflict under those financial circumstances?

oao

Morris/Pryce-Jones are probably right on this - if Iran gets the bomb they will probably use it to wipe out Israel. I think this is the case because even the casualties, even of the Mullahs themselves and their martyrdom, is not the significant factor in their thinking - perhaps they think that wiping out Israel would be the greatest political coup for Shi’ites in the Islamic world - they could demonstrate that it was their strength and success (rather than Sunni Muslim efforts - read Saudi) which led to the total defeat of this great enemy. Additionally, they could always restore their surviving population through birth control policies (similar to Khomeini’s in the 80’s) - supplemented by Shi’ites from the diaspora (eg. Lebanon, Bahrain, Saudi etc).

]]> By: oao http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/chang/3055#comment-114279 oao Mon, 24 Mar 2008 23:11:10 +0000 http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/chang/3055#comment-114279 dellis, have you also figured out the consequences on american society and its way of life at the taxation level you are recommending? not that I do not want to bankrupt Iran, but I would not want to live in an America with social dislocations as consequences. george, if you pay close attention, islamist leaders never become suicide bombers, they send the low level indoctrinated soldiers to martyr themselves. i suspect that iranian mullahs are not different. that's why the west is so pathetic in refraining from standing up them and letting them make a mockery of the west. oao http://fallofknowledgeandreason.blogspot.com/ dellis,

have you also figured out the consequences on american society and its way of life at the taxation level you are recommending? not that I do not want to bankrupt Iran, but I would not want to live in an America with social dislocations as consequences.

george,

if you pay close attention, islamist leaders never become suicide bombers, they send the low level indoctrinated soldiers to martyr themselves. i suspect that iranian mullahs are not different. that’s why the west is so pathetic in refraining from standing up them and letting them make a mockery of the west.

oao
http://fallofknowledgeandreason.blogspot.com/

]]> By: George Jochnowitz http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/chang/3055#comment-114266 George Jochnowitz Mon, 24 Mar 2008 22:23:54 +0000 http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/chang/3055#comment-114266 David Pryce-Jones, writing in the April 7, 2008, issue of NATIONAL REVIEW, cites Benny Morris as saying that with four or five nuclear weapons, Iran could wipe out Israel. Pryce-Jones then writes, perhaps echoing or paraphrasing Morris, "Never mind that thousands, perhaps millions, of Muslims would die, because in the Islamist mindset, Allah would know his own. Never mind Israeli reprisal either: Iran would have turned itself into a suicide bomber." Benny Morris, and, presumably, David Pryce-Jones, are saying that nothing can persuade Iran to change its policies. David Pryce-Jones, writing in the April 7, 2008, issue of NATIONAL REVIEW, cites Benny Morris as saying that with four or five nuclear weapons, Iran could wipe out Israel. Pryce-Jones then writes, perhaps echoing or paraphrasing Morris, “Never mind that thousands, perhaps millions, of Muslims would die, because in the Islamist mindset, Allah would know his own. Never mind Israeli reprisal either: Iran would have turned itself into a suicide bomber.”

Benny Morris, and, presumably, David Pryce-Jones, are saying that nothing can persuade Iran to change its policies.

]]> By: Dellis http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/chang/3055#comment-114255 Dellis Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:14:10 +0000 http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/chang/3055#comment-114255 I apologize. My numbers were incorrect. It costs America about $10 per gallon for gas, and this includes the cost of defense expenditures, but not the cost of global warming. (Source: Milton R. Copulos of the National Defense Council Foundation.) I apologize. My numbers were incorrect. It costs America about $10 per gallon for gas, and this includes the cost of defense expenditures, but not the cost of global warming. (Source: Milton R. Copulos of the National Defense Council Foundation.)

]]> By: Dellis http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/chang/3055#comment-114253 Dellis Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:09:25 +0000 http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/chang/3055#comment-114253 No kidding. We should tax gas/oil/carbon at $10 a gallon. The U.S. currently taxes gas at the lowest level among developed countries (see Economist graph today). The social cost of gas is $15 a gallon, including pollution, asthma, roads, congestion - and this does not even account for global warming and US foreign policy. Why not eliminate the income tax for all income below $30,000 a year, and hike up the gas tax dramatically? It's the most obvious policy solution in some time, yet aside from Dingell, our politicians are not brave enough to do the right thing. No kidding. We should tax gas/oil/carbon at $10 a gallon. The U.S. currently taxes gas at the lowest level among developed countries (see Economist graph today). The social cost of gas is $15 a gallon, including pollution, asthma, roads, congestion - and this does not even account for global warming and US foreign policy.

Why not eliminate the income tax for all income below $30,000 a year, and hike up the gas tax dramatically? It’s the most obvious policy solution in some time, yet aside from Dingell, our politicians are not brave enough to do the right thing.

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