You said Amazon, “has taken on an unusual level of responsibility for some of the content it now sells to readers.” Wrong. Amazon is simply offering free market choices. And that’s not an “unusual level of responsibility”. It’s simply good business. So stop using words like “unusual level of responsibility”. There’s no common sense in it. Your just trying to sound important.

Amazon is correct to offer such items for sale. After that, it’s up to readers whether or not to buy it. It’s called freedom.

And people need to stop saying that anti-zionism is anti-semitism. It makes no sense. I know many Jews who don’t support zionism.

Pat.

I’d expect the Amazon info page on this book to matter-of-factly state whether there’s any substance to this book’s claims, to clearly label it either as “opinion” and/or “fiction.”

Considering the general state of public education and the mainstream media, we’ve got plenty to worry about.

ian- i disagreed with sobran on one or two things he said abuot jews. that doesn’t make him an anti semite.

the thing abuot me using natinal review as a benchmark for conservatism and his geting fired by it is clever, but lacks substance on closer inspection. who knows why he was fired?

please don’t feed him.

I could just as easily havee said “the iraq war has brought back anti semetism”.

the point is it’s back.

I don’t speak the language you are in regads to what this or that means or what anti semetism has looked like throughout the ages. I’m saying people blame neoconservatives for the iraq war. in general, don’t you think this is true?

richard- i read one articlee about judaism by Sobran. i thought it was obsessive and stereotyping ironically the same way he the jews he does’t like: frankfurt school, freud, marx, neo cons of being. but his other columns I have read were good anti state conservatism a la Buchanan.

ahad “in the ’50s, Jews were communists, in the ’30s, bankers, and at the turn of the century, they were simply Elders.)”

right. whose point are you trying to make here? were those perceptions not dangerous for jews?

I don’t want jews to be in danger!

Only an anti-semite such as Lester would accept the underlying assumption — that all Jews are to be blamed for the blameworthy actions or views of some Jews. Without this underlying assumption, it would not matter that Lester thinks all (or most or many) neo-cons are Jews, or that all or most or many Jews are neocons. It would not matter that he considers the actions and views of the neocons to be blameworthy. The same is true of the various charges that were made before there were Neocons — whether Zionists, communists, rootless cosmopoltians, capitalists, international bankers, international pornographers and drug dealers (as periodically charged by the PA, Libya and others), the developers of AIDS (as charged by the PA and a Chicago “civil rights” activist), Christ Killers, or what have you.

Unbundle this bit of wisdom. First, it confirms the antisemitic stereotype that neo-conservatives are all Jews. Otherwise, one might argue that Cheney and Bush should have triggered an anti-Protestant backlash, or the late Jeane Kirkpatrick an anti-Catholic backlash. But no, due to the efforts of his fellow leftists (whose gleanings lester did not originate but more likely, simply absorbed) Jews are Neocons. (Lester’s parents and grandparents likely held analogous views: in the ’50s, Jews were communists, in the ’30s, bankers, and at the turn of the century, they were simply Elders.)

Next, Lester declares (in much the same old whine) that the Jews have only themselves to blame for anti-semitism. This is Sobran’s argument, repeating many times in his column. (If it was African-Americans who were subjected to Lester’s ire, they might respond by saying that this attitude amounts to “blaming the victim.”)

Finally, Lester’s facts are wrong. No one is in charge of defining anti-Semites except anti-Semites–of which I believe Lester belongs to the species, Leftist category. What Buckley did do was to write a book that represents one of the more intelligent accounts written by a non-Jew about the phenomena–if Lester should ever read, he might discover his own face staring back at him.

And it is undisputed that Buckley fired Sobran for the latter’s antisemitic screeds. One has only to read enough of Sobran (which I doubt Lester has done) to realize that he is a Jew-baiter par excellence, albeit one who lacks the courage of his convictions. (Sobran only baits but does go the “Der Sturmer” route for fear that his Drudge standing might be forfeit.

Hey Lester, does that mean that Sobran is being censored by us Elders?

oao- “Right now it does. And it’s not just amazon. The question is not why amazon sells it, but why has it become profitable to sell it.”

neoconservatism has brought back anti semetism.

rininger- good fascist answer

Even the ACLU might take this to court. It regularly takes minor cases that it opposes ideologically in order to promote the fiction that it’s a civil rights organization rather than a seditious communist organization.

People mostly believe what you tell them; especially when the subject is about a people that they think are different.

To appreciate and acquire knowledge, reason and independent, critical thinking people must be educated and trained accordingly. When they are not — as is the case in the west today — what you describe is what you get: gullibility and manipulability. That’s how fascism, left or right, occurs.

hanoch,

If anti-semitism pays, Amazon is more than willing to forego morality and cash in.

Right now it does. And it’s not just amazon. The question is not why amazon sells it, but why has it become profitable to sell it.

On its German website, Amazon peddles what it calls a “PLO Pali Tuch”, i.e., a PLO kefiyah. You can see Amazon’s offerings here:

http://www.amazon.de/s/ref=sr_kk_3?ie=UTF8&search-alias=aps&field-keywords=plo%20tuch

When I queried the company about overtly marketing items as the garb of terrorists dedicated to slaughtering Jews, the best Amazon could do was argue that the company does not believe in censorship. Imagine that: if a retailer refuses to stock items representing despicable ideologies (think Nazi armbands, KKK hoods, etc.), it is assaulting free speech. If this nonsense were not enough, I pointed out to Amazon that its very own policies for private sellers who market items on the Amazon website expressly prohibit the sale of items the Company considers indecent.

I stopped purchasing altogether from Amazon and, frankly, I can’t see how anyone with a half a conscience could stomach doing business with these low-lives.

Sobran is slightly to the right of Buchanan in his Jew-baiting. He skirts close to the line and has been known to wonder aloud whether “the Jews” ought to look at themselves to answer the question of why there is so much anti-semitism. (Actually, this is also Kevin MacDonald’s position as well.)

It is a question that only an antisemite could pose or answer.

http://www.lyricsfreak.com/k/kinky+friedman/they+aint+makin+jews+like+jesus+anymore_20079424.html

with the exception of macdonald, these aren’t fringe characters. Sobran and Reese wrote for national review for decades

That’s fine, since you have no choice. But do you really think people will critically read this sort of thing and then dismiss it for the logic-twisted bunk that it is? No, most readers will bob there heads up and down in agreement just like you see at a Rev. Wright sermon. People mostly believe what you tell them; especially when the subject is about a people that they think are different. These types of books are dangerous, but all one can do to counter it is point out the illogic and errors whenever possible and to try and spread truth.

I thought I was part of the destruction of the US’s culture but wasn’t sure.

And I guess the Jews were at the center of the development of Nazism by the sheer number of Jews murdered by those same Nazis.

Unless we’re even trickier than we thought and we sacrificed 6 million of us to throw the rest of the world off our trail.

I don’t mean to make light of this but its unbelievable. Please leave me in a room alone with Kevin McDonald for just a few minutes. The world would be so much better off.

And if so, so what? The opposite of pro-Israel is not anti-semitic. I will agree not to label all criticism of Israel as being anti-semitism, but please do not remain silent when Israel’s mistakes or misdeeds are proffered as an excuse for antiSemtiism.

People of good will can argue where to draw the line, though I like Natan Sharansky’s 3-D test, but I hope we can agree that by any standard, someone crosses the line when When someone starts talking about Zionism “shaping U.S. policies abroad as well as cultural transformations at home”, “entrenched taboos and covert alliances”, “unearth[ing] the unchecked malfeasance within the political wing of organized Jewry” or the “international lobby” and its “political excesses”.

According to Amazon, people who enjoyed this book also enjoyed a book by Kevin McDonald detailing how inherent Jewish traits of aggressiveness, intensity, ethnocentrism and intelligence make Jews a formidable force who have been at the center of every signifant development of the 20th century, including Bolshevism, Nazism, the admission of massive numbers of non-white immigrants to the US, and the destruction of the US’s culture.

Here’s the key line:
“This riveting volume provides a broad and exhilarating inspection of Zionist machinations as well as the entrenched taboos and covert alliances that sustain them.”

Can’t you just see this exact line in a review in some German paper in the early 30’s of Mein Kampf.

It would be funny if it wasn’t so scary.

Rabid anti-semitism and anti-zionism are coming out of the woodwork in the US. That’s the scapegoating that usually emerges when societies are in crisis, as the west and particularly the US is now. Americans are not used to such decline and they thrash out at the traditional scapegoat, as was routinely done in history. The notion that the US is unique and escapes the normal social forces proves to be an illusion.

oao
http://fallofknowledgeandreason.blogspot.com/

The “red diaper” secular Jews who finance and run the far left wing of the Democratic Party? (According to the Forward more than 30% of the Dem superdelegates are Jews; according to Joe Biden more than 50% of Dem funds come from Jews) and dominate American media.

Or the Jews who support the State of Israel?

I can tell you who I think are the most dangerous and newsworthy and LEAST covered by the press.