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A Response to Andrew Sullivan

Norman Podhoretz - 11.19.2007 - 11:21 AM

In my article “The Case for Bombing Iran” (COMMENTARY, June 2007), in my book World War IV: The Long Struggle Against Islamofascism, and in various public appearances (including a televised debate with Fareed Zakaria of Newsweek), I quoted the Ayatollah Khomeini as having said the following:

We do not worship Iran, we worship Allah. For patriotism is another name for paganism. I say let this land [Iran] burn. I say let this land go up in smoke, provided Islam emerges triumphant in the rest of the world.

My source for this statement was Amir Taheri, the prolific Iranian-born journalist now living in London, who has also contributed a number of articles to COMMENTARY. Now, however, the Economist, relying on another Iranian-born writer, Shaul Bakhash of George Mason University, has alleged on its blog “Democracy in America” that Khomeini never said any such thing. “Someone,” says Mr. Bakhash, “should inform Mr. Podhoretz he is citing a non-existent statement.”

That “someone” has turned out to be Andrew Sullivan in his widely read blog, “The Daily Dish.” Linking to the Economist post, Sullivan accuses me of intellectual dishonesty for failing to admit that I have made an “error” in relying on a “bogus quotation” to bolster my argument that if Iran were to acquire nuclear weapons, it would not be deterred from using them by the fear of retaliation.

I do not usually bother responding to Sullivan’s frequent attacks on me, which are fueled by the same shrill hysteria that, as has often been pointed out, deforms most of what he “dishes” out on a daily basis. But in this case I have decided to respond because, by linking to a sober source like the Economist, he may for a change seem credible.

The Economist concludes its piece by challenging Amir Taheri to produce “the original source for this quote.” In response to a query from me, Mr. Taheri has now met that challenge. He writes:

The quote can be found in several editions of Khomeini’s speeches and messages. Here is one edition:

Paymaha va Sokhanraniyha-yi Imam Khomeini (“Messages and Speeches of Imam Khomeini”) published by Nur Research and Publication Institute (Tehran, 1981).

The quote, along with many other passages, disappeared from several subsequent editions as the Islamic Republic tried to mobilize nationalistic feelings against Iraq, which had invaded Iran in 1980.

The practice of editing and even censoring Khomeini to suit the circumstances is widely known by Iranian scholars. This is how Professor Ahmad Karimi-Hakkak, the Director of the Center for Persian Studies at the University of Maryland and a specialist in Islamic censorship, states the problem: “Khumayni’s [sic] speeches are regularly published in fresh editions wherein new selections are made, certain references deleted, and various adjustments introduced depending on the state’s current preoccupation” (Persian Studies in North America, 1994).

In any case, Mr. Taheri continues in his letter to me:

Your real argument is that Khomeini is not an Iranian nationalist but a pan-Islamist and thus would not have been affected by ordinary nationalistic considerations, including the safety of any “motherland.” This is known to Iranians as a matter of fact. Khomeini opposed the use of the words mellat (“nation”) and melli (“national”), replacing them with Ummat (“the Islamic community”) and ummati (“pertaining to the Islamic community”).

Thus, Majlis Shuray e Melli (“The National Consultative Assembly”) was renamed by Khomeini as Majlis Shuray Islami (“Islamic Consultative Assembly”). He also replaced the Iranian national insignia of Lion and Sun with a stylized calligraphy of the word Allah.

Thus, too, when he returned to Tehran after sixteen years of exile, Khomeini was asked by a French journalist, who had accompanied him on the Air France plane from Paris, what he felt. “Nothing,” the ayatollah replied. He then rejected the suggestion by his welcoming committee to kiss the soil of Iran. That would have been sherk, which means associating something with Allah, the gravest of sins in Islam.

Finally, Mr. Taheri rightly observes:

What is at issue here is the exact nature of the Khomeinist regime. Is it a nationalistic power pursuing the usual goals of nations? Or is it a messianic power with an eschatological ideology and the pretension to conquer the world on behalf of “The One and Only True Faith”?

Khomeini built a good part of his case against the Shah by claiming that the latter was trying to force Iranians to worship Iran rather than Allah. The theme remains a leitmotif of Khomeinists even today. . . . Those who try to portray this regime as just another opportunistic power with a quixotic tendency do a grave disservice to a proper understanding of the challenge that the world faces.

But this is not new. Stalin, Hitler, Mao, and Pol Pot also had their apologists who saw them as “nationalists” with “legitimate grievances.”

So much for the allegation that the Khomeini quotation is “non-existent.” But there is another quotation I have cited repeatedly in the course of showing why Iran would not be deterred by the fear of retaliation. This one is a statement by the supposedly moderate former President Rafsanjani:

If a day comes when the world of Islam is duly equipped with the arms Israel has in possession . . . application of an atomic bomb would not leave anything in Israel, but the same thing would just produce damages in the Muslim world.

In chiding me for using this statement as well, all the Economist can come up with is the feeble objection that “some say Rafsanjani was misleadingly quoted.” Well, some also say that it is on the basis of a mistranslation that Ahmadinejad has been quoted as calling for Israel to be “wiped off the map.” It is true that Ahmadinejad’s declaration can be translated in other ways. Yet the official Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting (IRIB), in its own English edition, reported that “Iran’s President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Wednesday called for Israel to be ‘wiped off the map.’”

Since the case I make both in my COMMENTARY article and in my book rests on much more than the two quotations from Khomeini and Rafsanjani, it would still stand even if those quotations were in fact “bogus” or “fabricated.” But the truth is that Khomeini and Rafsanjani did say what I said they said. Not that this will silence the growing number of foreign-policy establishmentarians who—having finally recognized that Iran’s nuclear program cannot be stopped by diplomacy and sanctions, but having ruled out military force even as a last resort—are now desperately trying to persuade us that “we can live” with an Iranian bomb. God help us all if the counsels of these apologists and appeasers disguised as “realists” should in the end prevail.

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    David Thomson Says:
    November 19th, 2007 at 12:19 PM

    “But in this case I have decided to respond because, by linking to a sober source like the Economist, he may for a change seem credible.”

    The Economist is no longer “a sober source.” It is increasingly becoming an undependable leftist rag like the New York Times. It is also sad that we must waste time responding to intellectual lightweights like Andrew Sullivan. He fails to even begin to comprehend the threat of Islamic nihilism. Anyone who spends a modest amount of time studying the subject cannot possible believe that these people would not destroy the Western World if given half a chance. They also have no hesitation of sacrificing the lives of their own people to accomplish this goal.

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    CZ Says:
    November 19th, 2007 at 12:37 PM

    Really, some overheated, hyperbolic statements from a politician is not much of a case for bombing Iran. Just because some nutcase says “Let Iran burn” does not mean that this statement is going to be put into practice as state policy. Millions of other Iranians don’t go along with this. Does Bush’s statement “you are either with us or with the terrorists” mean he is going to war with every country that does not support our “war on terrorism?”

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    Fred J Harris Says:
    November 19th, 2007 at 12:44 PM

    re: The Economist,
    “a leftist rag”, indeed.
    Sadly so.

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    Adam Says:
    November 19th, 2007 at 12:57 PM

    There has apparently been some redefinition of what ‘leftist’ means. I must have missed a meeting.

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    Dean Vigliano Says:
    November 19th, 2007 at 1:04 PM

    Just because The Economist is dry and boring doesn’t mean that it is sober. While it does a good job of covering world politics, its commentary and analysis are trite, pedestrian and do not deviate from conventional (i.e. repeated) wisdom. There is very little original thought in the analysis pieces. But in reading the ponderous prose, you might overlook that fact as your eyes glaze over.

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    RayS Says:
    November 19th, 2007 at 1:08 PM

    am old enough to remember the fools who believed there could be “Peace in Our Time With Herr Hitler”. The same blindness aflicts many today concerning Iran.

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    Seth Halpern Says:
    November 19th, 2007 at 1:11 PM

    Has there ever been an instance where a nation’s leaders calmly and openly contemplated their country’s total physical annihilation in pursuit of a “higher” goal? No wonder most of us have a hard time wrapping our minds around the concept. It is at least as challenging to our sensibilities as was the idea of a Holocaust before World War II. But as Mr. Taheri’s letter implies, if Stalin and Hitler, Mao and Pol Pot could collectively murder nearly100 million class or racial “enemies” to fulfill an ideology, there is little reason to doubt that Iran’s millenarians are capable of similar crimes in a religious context. We balk at the notion of deliberate national suicide only because most of us have only begun to internalize the anti- or supra-national mentality increasingly prevalent in much of the modern world. Communism foundered on the rock of nationalism but globalism has since progressed far beyond even its earlier, 19th Century status — witness the EU and our own open-borders movement, not to mention unprecedented cross-border capital flows. Khomeinism and its Sunni counterparts represent merely the darkest side of the phenomenon. And why, after all, must the nation-state be the last word in 5000 years of human development? It is arguably an inconsequential blip, however some of us may cherish its undeniable positive manifestations.

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    David Thomson Says:
    November 19th, 2007 at 1:11 PM

    “Millions of other Iranians don’t go along with this.”

    Dictators do not usually have to worry about the wishes of their people. Iran is not a democracy! The Mullahs do not have to worry about being pushed out of power in the next election. Also, Iran is already unofficially at war with the United States. It is constantly pushing the proverbial envelope to see what it can get way with. Our dishonestly pacifist and utopian “elites” merely pretend that this isn’t the case.

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    Bruce Wechsler Says:
    November 19th, 2007 at 1:14 PM

    Mr. Podhoretz,

    I just wanted to take this opportinity to thank you fopr all you do, say and write. Some of your longer articles have confirmed for me in detail what my (once tentative) mind knew to be true in general. Keep fighting the good fight. And may G-d bless and keep you and yours!

    Bruce Wechsler….who shall not submit.

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    VikingOrd Says:
    November 19th, 2007 at 1:22 PM

    CZ said: “Really, some overheated, hyperbolic statements from a politician is not much of a case for bombing Iran. Just because some nutcase says “Let Iran burn” does not mean that this statement is going to be put into practice as state policy.”

    Except, the overheated nutcase politician is more than a politician, he is also a revered religious leader. When Iran acquires nuclear weapons, it will be followers of this ideology that have the “finger on the button.” If there is no priority on the survival of Iran, then the will of those citizens that will be wiped out is of little matter as well. But perhaps actually considering the implications of Khomieni’s statement are less important to CZ then being on the “right” side of using force. I assume CZ supports Sullivan’s opinions. The Dish deserves its readership.

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