Obama heard the presentation, read the proposals, and partnered in granting the funds. He was not only aware of Ayer’s background and his ongoing goal for a “small ‘c’ communist” America, he was / is clearly and fully complicit in the undertaking.
“I don’t know any of these guys”

You make an excellent point.

It’s not about Obama’s “associations” with Rev. Wright, Rezko and Ayers. That argument sounds vaguely unfair, and is always told in the passive tense. And many people will accept those associations as long as Obama finally “denounces” them in the end.

What is fair and effective is that Obama himself is the guilty party. Said directly, he funded, with a lot of money and over a long time, a radical left-wing educational reform movement promoting anti-capitalism and anti-Americanism in the Chicago public schools, and encouraged the children to agitate politically along these lines. He provided political cover for a corrupt property developer, and raised public a lot of money for him, some of which was kicked back to ACORN. He promoted ACORN by training them, funding them, and defending them in court, and he raised millions for them through Annenberg and Woods. He personally donated to and publicly promoted the anti-white, anti-American Trinity church, and raised a lot of money for that church through his board positions. He raised funds for the anti-Israel Arab American Action Network, which calls Israel’s founding a “catastrophe.”

It’s a story of a guy who spent the ’90s doing a lot of bad things, emphasizing what he did — not who he knew. Obama was a spreader of distrust of America, through the schools, the church, and community organizations. Forget the bit players’ biographies. In addition, the blanket of secrecy Obama has thrown over all of the records from the 1990s (state senate, legal client list, Rezko billing records, medical, academic transcript) indicates that there’s a lot to hide.

congrats on brilliant reporting!!!

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she believes dinosaurs walked 6012 years ago

at least ID can say evoluiton happened with GOD pushing it.

I suppose that’s all forgiven, right, Nutcases? Is there a single “principle” that you really believe in?

“Since Ayers is employed by the University of Illinois doesn’t that make it a terrorist supporter like Obama?”

Well, I wouldn’t dispute this with you, LL. Maybe you should bring this point to the attention of the University. I’m sure the faculty consists almost entirely of Republicans, and they’ll be shocked–shocked!–to know someone like Ayers in their midst. They’ll probably react like Obama: “HE’S WHAT? Go on! Really? Well, jeez, why didn’t someone tell us before?”

Our leftist intellectual elites adore terrorists. Look at the enthusiastic reception Ahmedinejad got at Columbia U. Look at the way almost all of them are gaga over Castro, that old fascist tyrant and murderer. Look at the way most of them extoll the Palestinian Arabs, who have worked for decades to earn a reputation for nihilistic savagry through terrorism. By giving a faculty post to a man who was a known terrorist, a member of a terrorist gang that was still making attacks into the 1980s, the University has disgraced and discredited itself.

Anybody who thinks that a socialist like Obama in the White House will bring a better economic situation to the country is delusional. It was socialistic policies of choking up the credit markets with subprime loans that played the major role in getting us here. McCain twice tried to stop that, Bush tried to stop that, Alan Grenspan tried to stop that, by trying to get sensible regulation of Fannie and Freddie. That’s not to mention Fannie’s and Freddie’s role as cushy pension plans for out of work Democrat insiders (e.g. Franklin Raines, Jim Johnson, Jamie Gorelick). But the Dems blocked all their efforts. It is characteristic of Democrats to lay heavy regulation on when not needed but to be lax about it where it is needed butmight inconvenience their political ambitions or pocketbooks. And that doesn’t even touch on all the many other areas where Obama is inadequate.

Palin in less than two years as governor has more accomplishments than Obama in his whole political career. His election will be confirmation of Mencken’s comment that the theory of democracy is that the voters know what they want and deserve to get it, good and hard.

you want obama to talk about something he never pushed?

you area god damn morons

Personally, I’m sure the Lightworker is a closet loset libertarian. I’ll even bet he used to come home from church and say, “You know, Michelle, Rev. Wright pushes this ‘Black Liberation’ theology, but it seems to me just warmed over, discredited Marixism with a racialist tinge. And he attacks individualism, but it’s individualism that made America great! We’ve been going to his church for a long time now, and I keep thinking I should criticize him, but I just never can find the time.” He probably also told Ayers, “Hey, wait a minute Bill–you’re a Marxist? I’m sorry, but that just doesn’t fly with me. You should read Von Mises or Hayek–they’ll straighten you out.”

I have the place where PALIN mentions Creationism.

I was an undergraduate at the U of Chicago in the late 1960s. Toni Preckwinkle, who was then Toni Reed was at that time a class-mate of mine. She was hard to miss, a statuesque young woman with coffee colored skin and beautiful green eyes. I doubt seriously that she knew who I was, but every guy in the class knew who she was. She married a classmate Harry “Zeus” Preckwinkle, to whom she still seems to be married.

In the time leading up to the 1968 Democrat Convention, and in its aftermath, the Weathermen were quite prominent on campus. They had only a handful of members, but they were loud and aggressive. I knew who they were, and I am sure that Ms. Reed and Mr. Preckwinkle did as well.

The New Yorker article makes it clear that Obama took political advice from Ms. Preckwinkle in the 1990s. She could have, and undoubtedly did, tell Obama who Ayers was. By 9/11/01, of course, Obama should have known by reading the NYTimes.

And yet, Obama never took any steps, in word or deed, to distance himself from Ayers. Nor has tken any steps to let us know that he differs from Ayers educational/political philosophy. Although the last word on that was a blurb by Obama on an Ayers book.

The only thing I can gather from all this is that Obama has breathed air so leftist that he has no grip on how leftist he is. And that he has no idea of what the mainstream of American politics is.

“Which is why a President Obama will work to dismantle the mililtary.”

This is a little trickier than you might think. any reduction in military forces will tend to weed out the people looking for a free ride to college leaving those who consider it a vocation, a solemn duty. outside of out right disbanding anything like that will simply make the military more rightwing, as it’s been getting over the past few decades

*Or as the bumper sticker puts it: “If you want to steal my gun, why would I trust you?”

– You forgot one. Don’t you have a cutesy name for Palin?

“In my previous post I wrote “there’s nothing you can do about it”. Okay, that’s not true. There is something you can do about it, but very quickly it will become something lying outside of democracy. The saving grace for the Right is that it almost always controls the fourth branch, and most important branch, of government.

The fourth branch of government you ask? It’s called the military.”

Which is why a President Obama will work to dismantle the mililtary.

There is McJerk’s association with Oleg Deripaska, controlling shareholder of the Russian aluminum giant RusAl. McJerk spent his 70th birthday on Deripaska’s yacht. How did they meet? Because McCain’s campaign manager, Rick Davis, was a lobbyist for the Russian-controlled government of Montenegro.

(Davis also took $2 million from Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac, and is all mixed up with the Indian casinos that McJerk has championed for years, but hey, one scandal at a time!)

McJerk interfered with the Air Force contract for tanker aircraft, helping steer it away from Boeing, an American company, toward Airbus, the European conglomerate. The aluminum for the Airbus tankers comes from Deripaska’s company, RusAl. So, McJerk threw a U.S. military procurement contract to a European aircraft manufacturer on behalf of his Russian godfather. That’s McJerk’s idea of “Country First”!

Let’s see then there was McJerk’s service during the 1980s on the board of the U.S. Council for World Freedom. It was the U.S. affiliate of the World Anti-Communist League, which was funded by Taiwanese and South Korean interests, including the Reverend Sun Myung Moon’s Unification Church, and provided private logistical support to the Contras during the Iran-Contra affair.

The U.S. Council for World Freedom was headed by Gen. John Singlaub, who had been dismissed by President Jimmy Carter for insubordination. Other affiliates included neo-Fascist death squads in Latin America, white supremacists, and the Mexican chapter that “blamed everything on the Jews” and even “accused Pope John Paul of being a Jew.”

And we haven’t even gotten to McCain’s running mate’s associations. Sarah Palin’s husband was a member of the Alaska Independence Party, which calls for secession from the United States, and which has links to white supremacists and domestic terrorists. The AIP has claimed that Sarah Palin was also an AIP member; Mrs. Palin has denied it, but she is on the record saying very friendly things to the group, including having sent a videotaped welcoming address to the group’s annual convention.

Sarah Palin’s church in Wasilla, Alaska, has hosted a steady parade of interesting characters, including the head of Jews for Jesus, and a Kenyan minister whose claim to fame was organizing a mob that drove out of his hometown a woman he had accused of witchcraft. That minister gave Palin a blessing that included a warning against witchcraft, and in June 2008, Mrs. Palin profusely and publicly thanked the witch hunter for his support for her political ambitions.

The same Wasilla church was behind Palin’s abortive (pardon the pun) to ban books from her hometown library, which Palin called “theoretical” but in fact was part of a coordinated move in which members of the church destroyed library books that it found offensive.

Associations, you say? Bring it on, Nutcases!

If a man’s association are irrelvant to his character, do any of the readers here associate with, or hang around with anyone who associates with pedophiles? How ’bout bigamists? Abusers of animals? Someone will say, “Yeah! But Ayers is noneof those!” So, there are some of questionable character acceptable and some not? It’s an individual choice…? No one else’s business…? Get your laws, uh…scrutinies off my terrorists pals? “Let’s not quarrel about who killed who. This is supposed to be a ‘appy occasion…? ” Anyone here have any friends blown up by bombs designed by the guy who got you your first big break? What’s indecent for the citizen is decent for the representative of the citizen? Right and wrong truly is not just a matter of opinion. If you believe it is, then Stalin, or Fidel, or Hugo, or Saddam, or Mao, or Pol Pot, or Herr Paperhanger, or any “monstrous tyranny” with all might, was alright?

Monstrous tyrranny: “You ask, What is our policy? I will say; “It is to wage war, by sea, land and air, with all our might and with all the strength that God can give us: to wage war against a monstrous tyranny, never surpassed in the dark lamentable catalogue of human crime. That is our policy.” You ask, What is our aim? I can answer with one word: Victory—victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory there is no survival.

John Mc Cain did co-sponsor legislation and gave a speech on the Senate floor warning about this. Barack obama IGNORED the plea made by Fannie Mae the day of his induction in the CBC and Senate to help the agency out. Help out they did. He sued for ACORN to help put these banks at gunpoint to CRA rules and to laon money to people unwilling to pay. Maxine Waters lied her rear end off. Meeks blew a gasket that his bribe money might dry up. And they did it all on our dime.

What you’re implying here is that large numbers of blacks and hispanics lack the human capital necessary to acquire home-ownership on a market basis. While you’re correct, good luck with using that to achieve electoral victory.

Read this and prepare to be very, very angry.

In 1946 Alinsky wrote Reveille for Radicals…about the principles and tactics of “community organizing,” otherwise known as agitating for revolution…which he and his disciples euphemistically refer to as “change.” Two of his most notable modern-day disciples are Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.

…a clearly identifiable enemy; …specifically name this foe…who is to blame for the “particular evil” that is the source of the people’s angst…it should be an individual such as a CEO, a mayor, or a president. (Bush, Palin)

…the organizer’s task was to cultivate…a negative, visceral emotional response to the face of the enemy…to avoid the temptation to concede that his opponent was not “100 per cent devil,” or that he possessed certain admirable qualities such as being “a good churchgoing man, generous to charity, and a good husband.” (Bush/Palin Derangement Syndrome)

Men will act when they are convinced their cause is 100 percent on the side of the angels, and that the opposition are 100 percent on the side of the devil.” …the ends (in this case, the transfer of power) justify virtually whatever means are required (in this case, lying).

…the enemy was to be portrayed as the very personification of evil, against whom any and all methods were fair game,

If the perceived oppressor surrenders or extends a hand of friendship…(t)his cannot be permitted. Eternal war, by definition, must never end.

True revolutionaries do not flaunt their radicalism, Alinsky taught. They cut their hair, put on suits and infiltrate the system from within.” (Barack Obama)

…in order to most effectively cast themselves as defenders of moral principals and human decency, organizers must react with “shock, horror, and moral outrage” whenever their targeted enemy in any way misspeaks or fails to live up to his “book of rules.”

…the organizer must deride his enemy and dismiss him as someone unworthy of being taken seriously because he is either intellectually deficient or morally bankrupt…He advised organizers to “laugh at the enemy” in an effort to provoke “an irrational anger. “Ridicule,” said Alinsky, “is man’s most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counterattack ridicule.

Does any of this ring a bell? For me it explains EVERYTHING that is going on right now: the hatred, the lies, the smears, the ridicule, the trolls, even the empty suit, his equally empty mantra of undefined “change”, and his hesitancy to explain what he did as a “community organizer”.

I have winnowed this down from a much more detailed, footnoted explanation of Alinsky and his work. Read the whole page and prepare yourself to be sick.

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2314

This profile was written by John Perazzo in April 2008, long before Palin, but it obviously accurately describes what happened to her, doesn’t it?

The fourth branch of government you ask? It’s called the military.

Enough with the wondering — everything this man has done and every person he has surrounded himself with is a flaming Marxist, from Ayers (both husband and wife) to Wright to his youth mentor Davis to Alynsky modeled ‘Community Organizing’.

From my personal experience in my daily contacts, I believe that the United States reached that mark some time ago. Obama will not be a driving force that advances such phenomena but a result of their advance and victory. Conservatives, like Rush Limbaugh, who rail about “true conservatives always win” are simply spitting into the wind and overestimating the power of ideology in the immediacy. Ideology *does* work. But it only does so by influencing an elite cadre within a generational cohort.

Let’s look at the reality on the ground. Blacks make up around 12 percent of the voting population and are going to be 95 percent Democrat forever. They are lost to Republicans. Why? Because the welfare state is a net transfer of wealth from white people to black people; that’s not a moral judgment, just an assessment of the facts. Hispanics, as a group, are demographically changing, from a more Euro-based one to a more mestizo-based one. The Hispanic illegitimacy rate is steadily climbing, just having reached 55 percent, and I can see it settling right around the black rate of around 70 percent. Black people who vote Democrat do so for one reason: they think that they’ll get more free stuff. That one sentence completely explains Black voting patterns. Most likely, within a couple of election cycles, the Hispanic vote will mirror the Black vote, and voting, for 90 percent plus, of Hispanics will simply be about getting more free stuff.

Add to that childless, urban whites mainly concerned with luxury consumption and other daily comforts and the GOP is looking at demographic oblivion.

Does Ayers matter? Sure. He is evidence that the American middle-class has lost the ability to advance its political interests, probably permanently. Why? Well, because most tax money in the US is paid by the middle-class, and, yet, those tax dollars are paid to fund their mortal enemy, Ayers. Ayers, like Wright, hates middle-classness, and the middle-class is forced, at gunpoint, to fund the class of people planning middle-class demise. And there’s nothing you can do about it.

Ayers would not matter one iota to an ethnic minority voting their ethnic interests, a former premier of Singapore once noted that in a multi-ethnic society people vote their ethnic, not class/economic interests. And for the whites who actively back Obama, his Ayers’ connections actually endear the candidate to them. As for the young, naive college students who come from middle-class backgrounds but still support Obama? They’re being asked to choose between someone with hazy ties to a cute, antiquated old man, Ayers, or the party whose active base tells them their worthless, destructors of civilization because they’re having sex outside of marriage. Guess which one they’ll pick?

Go ahead and rail against Ayers. All of the cottage industries based on advancing the notion that “true conservativism always wins” need the support.

idee fixe bemoans “nobody can get a mortgage so nobody can buy or sell a house, which makes people feel poor”, but fails to acknowledge the cause; too many were able to get mortgages for homes they couldn’t afford.

In tonight’s debate McCain should ask Obama if he agrees or disagrees with this quote: “From each according to their ability, to each according to their need.” Somebody needs to quiz Obama on the core ideological issue the MSM has succeeded in avoiding.

The more disturbing aspect is the failure to take seriously Ayers, his associations, his philosophy, and his actions. The record clearly shows that Ayers was Obama’s ally, not just a random member of similar groups. Just as Obama’s disclaimers about Jeremiah Wright are hardly credible to anyone with a few neurons of imagination, the Ayers connection – like the Wright connection – is obviously one of the pillars of Obama’s political career, if only because of the celebrity cache Ayers represents.

But the problem I see is that these people are not just social-democratic lefties-by-association i-hate-countryclubs type lefties – these people are serious. In a more candid era, they would simply be known as Communists, since that is what they are. Perhaps more Gramscian than Stalinist, but Communists nonetheless.

Let’s say you dislike Republicans. Does your dislike of Republicans really make you feel comfortable with electing an Obama, whose hard left associations begin with his mother and the absent father he romanticized, and then extended to clearly reliance from at least the beginning of his political career until now?

Are you Obama-supporters really that ignorant? I’d be surprised, since you’re constantly telling us how brilliant and righteous you are.

If the Democratic “no-evict” law passes, there will NEVER be another mortgage written in this country. If the terms of 30 year contracts can be suddenly abolished by a group of corrupt, pandering Dems seeking to buy votes, then why would banks ever agree to make such arrangements?? Because they’re suicidal? Just stupid?

Oh, wait! I know the answer to that one! Barney Frank, Dodd and the rest will FORCE them to keep writing mortgages! Afterall, when those collapse also, we can always blame the Republicans. Beautiful, just beautiful.

The idea that we can decide that all people should own their dwellings, including those unable to continue to pay for them, and that everyone else should be ready to pay an unspecified amount to make this happen, is responsible for our current crisis.

And why was this necessary? Because providing directly subsidized housing for the means-tested needy had already proven to be a failure, most of all to the honest needy who were put at the mercy of the thugs and criminals who also needed to be provided with housing at everyone’s cost. The public refused to pay any more for this failure, so a new way had to be found to do the same thing.

Obviously, the way out of this failure was to move from the rental model to one of home ownership. Who knew before that everyone–even those unable to take care of a dwelling–had to own? But now, with CRA extended during Clinton’s watch, mortgages were made available at far below the price that people who are motivated to buy a dwelling can meet. WE are told that mortgage companies enticed people to buy who they know couldn’t pay back on a mortgage. Bad business model, one would think. But the mortgage companies quickly got the message from Fannie Mae adn Freddie Mac that there was a buyer for the bad paper. Now we are told the mortgage companies were “predatory,” but they were simply following the signals put out by the government. Get everyone into home ownership regardless.

My bet for a crisis about 10 years down the road? Badly deteriorated housing in some “nice” neighborhoods, as we learn that a person who can’t afford a mortgage usually can’t afford repairs either.

I understand when the economy tanks, the presidential party loses, but what exactly in Obama’s economic plan will help the economy? The country is still a center right country, I would love to see him try and govern the way he thinks. My only solace is in the fact that if the O does win, he will lose the House in 2 years.

Allow me to translate “ideas matter” as the phrase would be understood in Raleigh-Durham North Carolina:

“Ideas matter”= I’m smarter than you, I’m tellin you my ideas matter more than your job
“Ideas matter”= We don’t want to talk about the economy

Have you even seen Obama’s healthcare ad running every hour on every station in North Carolina?