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		<title>By: Empiricon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Empiricon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian, I guess you&#039;ll be calling for Dennis Ross&#039; resignation next, since he too was paid by an organization that accepted funds from a foreign government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian, I guess you&#8217;ll be calling for Dennis Ross&#8217; resignation next, since he too was paid by an organization that accepted funds from a foreign government.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Driscoll &#187; Tea Party Obama Protests Largely Ignored by Old Media</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Driscoll &#187; Tea Party Obama Protests Largely Ignored by Old Media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is largely to keep news out, not let it in. Or like the Swift Vets, the John Edwards scandal and Charles Freeman, debate stories on the op-ed pages that the general public is familiar with thanks to blogs and new [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is largely to keep news out, not let it in. Or like the Swift Vets, the John Edwards scandal and Charles Freeman, debate stories on the op-ed pages that the general public is familiar with thanks to blogs and new [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 02:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#12-I will. Thanks for your support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#12-I will. Thanks for your support.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Banyan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Banyan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 00:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. So convincing. 

It was all about China. Not Israel. 

Well, that&#039;s alright then.

Though it doesn&#039;t explain why the pro-Israel/armchair Likudnik crowd, aided by the highly esteemed Mr Rosen, were so upset by Mr Freeman. But one must take their word for it that despite their oodles of online brickbats and the allegations of private approaches to Congressmen by some AIPAC personnel (the bit that really works, as was the case during the Bolton fiasco in 2005 when his opponents called Senators directly), this Israel/Lieberman Lobby had nothing to do with it!

Keep hyperventilating Ian...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. So convincing. </p>
<p>It was all about China. Not Israel. </p>
<p>Well, that&#8217;s alright then.</p>
<p>Though it doesn&#8217;t explain why the pro-Israel/armchair Likudnik crowd, aided by the highly esteemed Mr Rosen, were so upset by Mr Freeman. But one must take their word for it that despite their oodles of online brickbats and the allegations of private approaches to Congressmen by some AIPAC personnel (the bit that really works, as was the case during the Bolton fiasco in 2005 when his opponents called Senators directly), this Israel/Lieberman Lobby had nothing to do with it!</p>
<p>Keep hyperventilating Ian&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Robert D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 16:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Among all the other things in the Post&#039;s article, there is this:&quot;If I were him...&quot;  Don&#039;t they have any literate copy editors?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Among all the other things in the Post&#8217;s article, there is this:&#8221;If I were him&#8230;&#8221;  Don&#8217;t they have any literate copy editors?</p>
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		<title>By: lester</title>
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		<dc:creator>lester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 16:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sometimes the lobby is more succesful than other times, however

http://crooksandliars.com/node/26654</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sometimes the lobby is more succesful than other times, however</p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://crooksandliars.com/node/26654"  rel="nofollow">http://crooksandliars.com/node/26654</a></p>
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		<title>By: Peter Shalen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Shalen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 16:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have pointed this out before, but it seems worth repeating: while it is great news that Chas Freeman has withdrawn, it would have been even better if his father had withdrawn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have pointed this out before, but it seems worth repeating: while it is great news that Chas Freeman has withdrawn, it would have been even better if his father had withdrawn.</p>
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		<title>By: lester</title>
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		<dc:creator>lester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 15:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Reader: 

As many of you may know, Charles Freeman has “has requested that his selection to be Chairman of the National Intelligence Council not proceed.”

What you may not know is that Steven J. Rosen of the Middle East Forum was the person who first brought attention to the problematic nature of Freeman’s appointment, in a February 19 blog titled “Alarming appointment at the CIA.” Within hours, the word was out; and three weeks later Freeman has conceded defeat. Only someone with Steve’s stature and credibility could have made this happen.

Even those who backed the Freeman appointment acknowledge Steve’s leadership in this effort. For example:

Andrew Sullivan, former editor of The New Republic, calls Steve “the leader of the anti-Freeman brigade.”
The director of policy for the Israel Policy Forum calls him the “quarterback” of the effort.
Max Blumenfeld of The Nation Institute calls him “leader of the campaign against Freeman’s appointment.”
I congratulate Steve and am proud of this early achievement by the Forum’s newly created Washington Project.

Yours sincerely,

Daniel Pipes

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Reader: </p>
<p>As many of you may know, Charles Freeman has “has requested that his selection to be Chairman of the National Intelligence Council not proceed.”</p>
<p>What you may not know is that Steven J. Rosen of the Middle East Forum was the person who first brought attention to the problematic nature of Freeman’s appointment, in a February 19 blog titled “Alarming appointment at the CIA.” Within hours, the word was out; and three weeks later Freeman has conceded defeat. Only someone with Steve’s stature and credibility could have made this happen.</p>
<p>Even those who backed the Freeman appointment acknowledge Steve’s leadership in this effort. For example:</p>
<p>Andrew Sullivan, former editor of The New Republic, calls Steve “the leader of the anti-Freeman brigade.”<br />
The director of policy for the Israel Policy Forum calls him the “quarterback” of the effort.<br />
Max Blumenfeld of The Nation Institute calls him “leader of the campaign against Freeman’s appointment.”<br />
I congratulate Steve and am proud of this early achievement by the Forum’s newly created Washington Project.</p>
<p>Yours sincerely,</p>
<p>Daniel Pipes</p>
<p>“</p>
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		<title>By: lester</title>
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		<dc:creator>lester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 15:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>freeman cited the israel lobby as his reason for withdrawing, not  frank wolf.  wether you think he was right to do it or he would have been blocked in some other way is another story</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>freeman cited the israel lobby as his reason for withdrawing, not  frank wolf.  wether you think he was right to do it or he would have been blocked in some other way is another story</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Dawson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Dawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 14:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama&#039;s strategy is bearing fruit: He&#039;s spending our children&#039;s money hand over fist and you&#039;re still talking about Freeman. 

First it was Rush, then Freeman, next week there will be some other manufactured outrage to draw our attention away from the looting. Enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama&#8217;s strategy is bearing fruit: He&#8217;s spending our children&#8217;s money hand over fist and you&#8217;re still talking about Freeman. </p>
<p>First it was Rush, then Freeman, next week there will be some other manufactured outrage to draw our attention away from the looting. Enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Halpern</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth Halpern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 13:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even paranoids have enemies. But they&#039;re still paranoids. A lot of Jews and other people generally sympathetic to Israel opposed Freeman, some no doubt primarily for that reason, others principally for different ones. But Freeman is no less of a basket case for all that. And those responsible for letting him slip through were appallingly clueless - assuming they didn&#039;t share his views. I doubt they did.  I&#039;m not paranoid after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even paranoids have enemies. But they&#8217;re still paranoids. A lot of Jews and other people generally sympathetic to Israel opposed Freeman, some no doubt primarily for that reason, others principally for different ones. But Freeman is no less of a basket case for all that. And those responsible for letting him slip through were appallingly clueless &#8211; assuming they didn&#8217;t share his views. I doubt they did.  I&#8217;m not paranoid after all.</p>
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		<title>By: cavalier</title>
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		<dc:creator>cavalier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 12:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When liable of this kind is so aggresively promoted and either covered up or abated by MSM sources it most certainly needs to be exposed for its dishonesty and sheer inaccuracy.

The fact that THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE, of the President&#039;s own party had, for all her many grievous errors, been a long time outspoken supporter of human rights in China and that the proposed appointee had spoken (yes in context, in expressing his personal opinion, not analyzing the mindset of the Chinese government) is cited almost nowhere even though this obviously should have been enough to disqualify said appointee.  Moreover, the finanacial associations with Saudi Arabia and China and the almost deranged temperment should have been disqualifying for any minimally sentient being.  The fact that they weren&#039;t speaks very poorly of the quality of intelligence analysis, Freeman or no, that the United States will be getting in the coming years.

Moreover, the supposed &quot;Lobby&quot;, has from the very beginning had much, much, much less influence on U.S. policy than many of its more or less sane detractors, and even than some of its members claim.  The U.S. foreign policy establishment has been very hostile to Jewish interests since the 30s and to the State of Israel since its inception.  That the U.S. has been less so than other nations speaks more to the values of the American people and the, however attenuated, recognition of U.S. interest than to the influence of the &quot;Lobby&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When liable of this kind is so aggresively promoted and either covered up or abated by MSM sources it most certainly needs to be exposed for its dishonesty and sheer inaccuracy.</p>
<p>The fact that THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE, of the President&#8217;s own party had, for all her many grievous errors, been a long time outspoken supporter of human rights in China and that the proposed appointee had spoken (yes in context, in expressing his personal opinion, not analyzing the mindset of the Chinese government) is cited almost nowhere even though this obviously should have been enough to disqualify said appointee.  Moreover, the finanacial associations with Saudi Arabia and China and the almost deranged temperment should have been disqualifying for any minimally sentient being.  The fact that they weren&#8217;t speaks very poorly of the quality of intelligence analysis, Freeman or no, that the United States will be getting in the coming years.</p>
<p>Moreover, the supposed &#8220;Lobby&#8221;, has from the very beginning had much, much, much less influence on U.S. policy than many of its more or less sane detractors, and even than some of its members claim.  The U.S. foreign policy establishment has been very hostile to Jewish interests since the 30s and to the State of Israel since its inception.  That the U.S. has been less so than other nations speaks more to the values of the American people and the, however attenuated, recognition of U.S. interest than to the influence of the &#8220;Lobby&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander Almasov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexander Almasov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 08:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regardless of #1&#039;s ventilations, what matters abt the post is the brilliance of the last sentence:  WashDC in amber.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless of #1&#8217;s ventilations, what matters abt the post is the brilliance of the last sentence:  WashDC in amber.</p>
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		<title>By: ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 07:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have written way too much on this subject already, so with this comment I&#039;m retiring for the time being. Unfortunately, when you talk of people being overwrought you may need to incorporate what apologists for the Freeman selection have meant when they say that Freeman was the victim of a political hit by the Israel Lobby. Freeman&#039;s own valediction is as good a place to start as any. They are not merely talking about the innocent expression of public opinion, and the very use of the term &quot;Lobby&quot; is intended to connote the opposite. It sheds very little light on events to describe people as being allegedly oversensitive (an ever recuring self-satisfying term when this subject is discussed) to the idea that Israel&#039;s supporters played a role in derailing the Freeman appointment (I would not mind if that were the case) without placing that in the context of the hysterical and malevolent claims that the criticism of Freeman was an orchestrated libel campaign at the behest of a foreign power, as well as how claims of an Israel Lobby have been employed historically by the Walts. et. al. of the world, with all the attendent claims of dual loyalty and disproportionate influence. (I still remember &quot;They Dared To Speak,&quot; so it is hardly a new phenomenon).

You also claim that it is self-evident that the Freeman appointment was undone by objections by pro-Israel supporters. However you seem a bit too willing to believe this, a belief coincidentally or not which plays directly into the Freeman&#039;s own self-serving claims that his apppointment was improperly prevented solely due to his &quot;unorthodox&quot; opinions on Israel. You therefore claim that there is an &quot;overwrought&quot; denial of &quot;influence.&quot; Recall however that Freeman&#039;s apologists want to make this all about Israel and have a very different thing in mind when they talk about &quot;influence,&quot; which they do not represent in innocuous terms. In that case demonstrating that there were a number of objections about Freeman and that Israel was not all there was to it constitutes an important rebuttal to a malacious claim and not some irrational timidity.

On that point, faced with accusations that Freeman was libelously attacked for &quot;daring to speak&quot;, it is not an &quot;overwrought denial&quot; but a devastatingly effective argument to put the accusation to the test and show, as has been done, that members of Congress were not driven to oppose Freeman due to some sort of lobby or due to Israel alone or even primarily. Thus whether the opinion of Israel&#039;s supporters in fact played a key role in the Freeman withdrawal is not simply intuitive but requires evidence. Unfortunately too much of the professional commentary on this issue has gone the intuitive route, and thus accepted one of the Freeman apologists&#039; core contentions while ignoring the full scope of the criticism he was being subjected to.  

As to whether claims of anti-semitism are also overwrought, I will respectfully disagree. There is a school of thought that believes that claims of anti-semitism are always overwrought but I am not a member.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have written way too much on this subject already, so with this comment I&#8217;m retiring for the time being. Unfortunately, when you talk of people being overwrought you may need to incorporate what apologists for the Freeman selection have meant when they say that Freeman was the victim of a political hit by the Israel Lobby. Freeman&#8217;s own valediction is as good a place to start as any. They are not merely talking about the innocent expression of public opinion, and the very use of the term &#8220;Lobby&#8221; is intended to connote the opposite. It sheds very little light on events to describe people as being allegedly oversensitive (an ever recuring self-satisfying term when this subject is discussed) to the idea that Israel&#8217;s supporters played a role in derailing the Freeman appointment (I would not mind if that were the case) without placing that in the context of the hysterical and malevolent claims that the criticism of Freeman was an orchestrated libel campaign at the behest of a foreign power, as well as how claims of an Israel Lobby have been employed historically by the Walts. et. al. of the world, with all the attendent claims of dual loyalty and disproportionate influence. (I still remember &#8220;They Dared To Speak,&#8221; so it is hardly a new phenomenon).</p>
<p>You also claim that it is self-evident that the Freeman appointment was undone by objections by pro-Israel supporters. However you seem a bit too willing to believe this, a belief coincidentally or not which plays directly into the Freeman&#8217;s own self-serving claims that his apppointment was improperly prevented solely due to his &#8220;unorthodox&#8221; opinions on Israel. You therefore claim that there is an &#8220;overwrought&#8221; denial of &#8220;influence.&#8221; Recall however that Freeman&#8217;s apologists want to make this all about Israel and have a very different thing in mind when they talk about &#8220;influence,&#8221; which they do not represent in innocuous terms. In that case demonstrating that there were a number of objections about Freeman and that Israel was not all there was to it constitutes an important rebuttal to a malacious claim and not some irrational timidity.</p>
<p>On that point, faced with accusations that Freeman was libelously attacked for &#8220;daring to speak&#8221;, it is not an &#8220;overwrought denial&#8221; but a devastatingly effective argument to put the accusation to the test and show, as has been done, that members of Congress were not driven to oppose Freeman due to some sort of lobby or due to Israel alone or even primarily. Thus whether the opinion of Israel&#8217;s supporters in fact played a key role in the Freeman withdrawal is not simply intuitive but requires evidence. Unfortunately too much of the professional commentary on this issue has gone the intuitive route, and thus accepted one of the Freeman apologists&#8217; core contentions while ignoring the full scope of the criticism he was being subjected to.  </p>
<p>As to whether claims of anti-semitism are also overwrought, I will respectfully disagree. There is a school of thought that believes that claims of anti-semitism are always overwrought but I am not a member.</p>
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		<title>By: pace</title>
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		<dc:creator>pace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 05:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Much as I love Jennifer Rubin and Commentary in general, they seem extraordinarily sensitive to to the idea that Jewish supporters of Israel played the leading role in dumping Freeman–even to the extent of outright denial of the obvious. This seems equivalent to denying or attempting to minimize the extent to which African-Americans played a key role in electing Obama. If the term “Israel Lobby” is understood in an essentially non-institutional sense, there is clearly a powerful and influential “opinion public” of American Jews who support Israel and who profoundly affect US policy in the Middle East. Just as there is a Catholic “opinion public” (or lobby) on abortion and just as there is an African-American “opinion public” (or lobby) on Obama. On what else have Marty Peretz of the The New Republic and Jennifer Rubin of Commentary agreed in the last 12 months other than issues affecting Israel? It was the Chinese statement that sank Freeman??? Please.

My question is so what? Israel is sacred territory, a historically defining entity to to American Jews, both secular and religious. Should they not have opinions on policies that affect Israel? Are they not entitled to these opinions? And are they not entitled to them both as Jews and as Americans?

The sensitivity and even the denial on this issue remind me of the sensitivity to Bill Clinton’s statement about the voting in the South Carolina Democratic primary. In consequence, Bill Clinton went from being described by black leaders as “the first black president” to being widely described by black politicians as a racist. Absurd.

Same with this and the overwrought denials of influence and accusations of anti-semitism around the Freeman issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much as I love Jennifer Rubin and Commentary in general, they seem extraordinarily sensitive to to the idea that Jewish supporters of Israel played the leading role in dumping Freeman–even to the extent of outright denial of the obvious. This seems equivalent to denying or attempting to minimize the extent to which African-Americans played a key role in electing Obama. If the term “Israel Lobby” is understood in an essentially non-institutional sense, there is clearly a powerful and influential “opinion public” of American Jews who support Israel and who profoundly affect US policy in the Middle East. Just as there is a Catholic “opinion public” (or lobby) on abortion and just as there is an African-American “opinion public” (or lobby) on Obama. On what else have Marty Peretz of the The New Republic and Jennifer Rubin of Commentary agreed in the last 12 months other than issues affecting Israel? It was the Chinese statement that sank Freeman??? Please.</p>
<p>My question is so what? Israel is sacred territory, a historically defining entity to to American Jews, both secular and religious. Should they not have opinions on policies that affect Israel? Are they not entitled to these opinions? And are they not entitled to them both as Jews and as Americans?</p>
<p>The sensitivity and even the denial on this issue remind me of the sensitivity to Bill Clinton’s statement about the voting in the South Carolina Democratic primary. In consequence, Bill Clinton went from being described by black leaders as “the first black president” to being widely described by black politicians as a racist. Absurd.</p>
<p>Same with this and the overwrought denials of influence and accusations of anti-semitism around the Freeman issue.</p>
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