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	<title>Comments on: Are the 70&#8217;s Back? If Only!</title>
	<link>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/suderman/3063</link>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 00:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Peter Suderman</title>
		<link>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/suderman/3063#comment-114706</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Suderman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt -- entirely agree with you.  2007 was a surprisingly good year for movies. There were probably 30 films that I quite enjoyed (enough that I'd, say, see them again, or recommend them to others), and a handful of them (Zodiac, No Country) that turned out to be insta-classics -- the sort of films I'm pretty sure I'll still be talking about a decade or so down the road.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt &#8212; entirely agree with you.  2007 was a surprisingly good year for movies. There were probably 30 films that I quite enjoyed (enough that I&#8217;d, say, see them again, or recommend them to others), and a handful of them (Zodiac, No Country) that turned out to be insta-classics &#8212; the sort of films I&#8217;m pretty sure I&#8217;ll still be talking about a decade or so down the road.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/suderman/3063#comment-114624</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 05:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you ignore the hackneyed political films, 2007 was actually not a bad year at all for films: No Country for Old Men was nearly flawless, and There Will Be Blood suffered from the rarest of all film flaws: it was too short. 

Juno was charming, if a bit overrated, and even our current John Hughes - Judd Apatow - revealed some  conservative leanings in his very funny film "Knocked Up". What other movie in recent memory is so contemptuous of abortion that it would have the line: "and then she had a real baby!".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you ignore the hackneyed political films, 2007 was actually not a bad year at all for films: No Country for Old Men was nearly flawless, and There Will Be Blood suffered from the rarest of all film flaws: it was too short. </p>
<p>Juno was charming, if a bit overrated, and even our current John Hughes - Judd Apatow - revealed some  conservative leanings in his very funny film &#8220;Knocked Up&#8221;. What other movie in recent memory is so contemptuous of abortion that it would have the line: &#8220;and then she had a real baby!&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: s jones</title>
		<link>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/suderman/3063#comment-114616</link>
		<dc:creator>s jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 03:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Best film about our current predicament:

TEAM AMERICA: WORLD POLICE

The big eyed puppets are actually more sympathetic and emotionally involving then Clooney, Redford etc. And who could resist a cheer when the female character kicks Kim Jong Il up the bum and into the shark filled pool.

And the fundamental message of the necessity of thumos is correct - even if an excess of undisciplined thumos can be very annoying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Best film about our current predicament:</p>
<p>TEAM AMERICA: WORLD POLICE</p>
<p>The big eyed puppets are actually more sympathetic and emotionally involving then Clooney, Redford etc. And who could resist a cheer when the female character kicks Kim Jong Il up the bum and into the shark filled pool.</p>
<p>And the fundamental message of the necessity of thumos is correct - even if an excess of undisciplined thumos can be very annoying.</p>
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		<title>By: J.E. Dyer</title>
		<link>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/suderman/3063#comment-114595</link>
		<dc:creator>J.E. Dyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 01:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/suderman/3063#comment-114595</guid>
		<description>Today's movies condescend to the viewer much more than the 1970s flicks did.  It's a real treat to watch a lot of the older movies now, just to experience being treated like a sentient adult.

I think a big influence on today's movies is postmodernism, in which the personal is everything.  The '70s movies, for all their one-dimensional politics, did at least toy with the idea that there were things out there that fell into other realms.  You could say "the personal is political" back then, because there was an understanding that "the political" was a valid, separate category.  Some attempt was made to parse the "political":  investigate it, deconstruct it, at least hold it up to ridicule.

Today's movies dismiss the "political" right away as a Big, Like, Total Bummer.  It's not fascinating, not the source of interesting drama and motivations, it's just common dog poop -- and the steaming pile is always left by the middle-aged white men.  Yawn.  The plot inevitably revolves around some character's attempt to shovel the dog poop, point it out, photograph it, and maybe heap some dirt on it so it won't smell so much.  There's only so much you can do with that; it's a dramatic dead end.  We know from the start that it's dog poop, and that what we're there to enjoy is not any compelling revelations about the poop, but rather the well-crafted chase scenes and special effects.

It's a lot like the dramatic problem of Immediate Sex:  Hollywood's unwritten code now requires it, lest anyone appear to be suggesting that (horrors) sex should wait, but it sure isn't dramatically interesting.  All the romantic suspense, and the fun of flirtation, expire promptly with the Immediate Sex, and there is no way to resuscitate the dramatic significance of the heroine for the remainder of the film.  As my young nephew says, BO-ring.

The first two Bourne movies avoided these (and other) pitfalls, as did 300, United 93, and such oddballs as Amazing Grace.  Not all of today's movies are awful.  But the political thriller does require more tolerant subtlety about, well, POLITICS, than the average modern screenwriter or producer can seem to muster.  Chalk that up, at least in part, to their early indoctrination by the Weekly Reader, and all the educational wickets they passed through after that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today&#8217;s movies condescend to the viewer much more than the 1970s flicks did.  It&#8217;s a real treat to watch a lot of the older movies now, just to experience being treated like a sentient adult.</p>
<p>I think a big influence on today&#8217;s movies is postmodernism, in which the personal is everything.  The &#8217;70s movies, for all their one-dimensional politics, did at least toy with the idea that there were things out there that fell into other realms.  You could say &#8220;the personal is political&#8221; back then, because there was an understanding that &#8220;the political&#8221; was a valid, separate category.  Some attempt was made to parse the &#8220;political&#8221;:  investigate it, deconstruct it, at least hold it up to ridicule.</p>
<p>Today&#8217;s movies dismiss the &#8220;political&#8221; right away as a Big, Like, Total Bummer.  It&#8217;s not fascinating, not the source of interesting drama and motivations, it&#8217;s just common dog poop &#8212; and the steaming pile is always left by the middle-aged white men.  Yawn.  The plot inevitably revolves around some character&#8217;s attempt to shovel the dog poop, point it out, photograph it, and maybe heap some dirt on it so it won&#8217;t smell so much.  There&#8217;s only so much you can do with that; it&#8217;s a dramatic dead end.  We know from the start that it&#8217;s dog poop, and that what we&#8217;re there to enjoy is not any compelling revelations about the poop, but rather the well-crafted chase scenes and special effects.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a lot like the dramatic problem of Immediate Sex:  Hollywood&#8217;s unwritten code now requires it, lest anyone appear to be suggesting that (horrors) sex should wait, but it sure isn&#8217;t dramatically interesting.  All the romantic suspense, and the fun of flirtation, expire promptly with the Immediate Sex, and there is no way to resuscitate the dramatic significance of the heroine for the remainder of the film.  As my young nephew says, BO-ring.</p>
<p>The first two Bourne movies avoided these (and other) pitfalls, as did 300, United 93, and such oddballs as Amazing Grace.  Not all of today&#8217;s movies are awful.  But the political thriller does require more tolerant subtlety about, well, POLITICS, than the average modern screenwriter or producer can seem to muster.  Chalk that up, at least in part, to their early indoctrination by the Weekly Reader, and all the educational wickets they passed through after that.</p>
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		<title>By: CK MacLeod</title>
		<link>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/suderman/3063#comment-114583</link>
		<dc:creator>CK MacLeod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 01:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/suderman/3063#comment-114583</guid>
		<description>300 wasn't pretending to be historiography.  I don't think it really meant for us to think that Xerxes was 8 feet tall and took ogres with blade hands and battalions of ninjas into his service, or that the Spartans stacked their fallen enemies high enough to exploit corpse avalanches tactically.   Otherwise, I suppose I could quibble with your dismissive characterization of the source material, and I could refer to and expand upon Victor Davis Hanson's take on heroic exaggeration, but I wasn't making an argument that the film was or wasn't "positive... &lt;i&gt;for&lt;/i&gt; Western Civilization."  My point was that it took a positive attitude &lt;i&gt;toward&lt;/i&gt; Western Civilization, and toward the heroic defense of it, and that audiences responded very positively in return.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>300 wasn&#8217;t pretending to be historiography.  I don&#8217;t think it really meant for us to think that Xerxes was 8 feet tall and took ogres with blade hands and battalions of ninjas into his service, or that the Spartans stacked their fallen enemies high enough to exploit corpse avalanches tactically.   Otherwise, I suppose I could quibble with your dismissive characterization of the source material, and I could refer to and expand upon Victor Davis Hanson&#8217;s take on heroic exaggeration, but I wasn&#8217;t making an argument that the film was or wasn&#8217;t &#8220;positive&#8230; <i>for</i> Western Civilization.&#8221;  My point was that it took a positive attitude <i>toward</i> Western Civilization, and toward the heroic defense of it, and that audiences responded very positively in return.</p>
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		<title>By: YbA</title>
		<link>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/suderman/3063#comment-114559</link>
		<dc:creator>YbA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 23:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/suderman/3063#comment-114559</guid>
		<description>CK MacLeod

300 was a terrible film from a historical perspective.  Aside from that, it was based on a comic book plot (literally) - it is almost beyond parody if you see this as a postive film for Western Civilisation (except South Park did parody it...).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CK MacLeod</p>
<p>300 was a terrible film from a historical perspective.  Aside from that, it was based on a comic book plot (literally) - it is almost beyond parody if you see this as a postive film for Western Civilisation (except South Park did parody it&#8230;).</p>
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		<title>By: CK MacLeod</title>
		<link>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/suderman/3063#comment-114521</link>
		<dc:creator>CK MacLeod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 21:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/suderman/3063#comment-114521</guid>
		<description>The closest thing to a rah-rah pro-warrior, pro-Western Civ film of the last few years, however, was a massive box office success and aesthetically quite interesting - even if the particular aesthetics were roundly rejected by a certain kind of critic.  I'm speaking of course of &lt;i&gt;300&lt;/i&gt;.   In the meantime, there have been several highly successful and gripping battle accounts from THE WAR ON TERROR that in my opinion, as a former screenwriter and story editor, would adapt very well:  HOUSE TO HOUSE, WE WERE ONE, LONE SURVIVOR, and ROBERTS RIDGE all come to mind immediately.  If Hollywood was doing its job, we'd certainly know by now whether the moviegoing would turn out in better numbers for real war movies based on these and other stories than for the kind that we've had so many of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The closest thing to a rah-rah pro-warrior, pro-Western Civ film of the last few years, however, was a massive box office success and aesthetically quite interesting - even if the particular aesthetics were roundly rejected by a certain kind of critic.  I&#8217;m speaking of course of <i>300</i>.   In the meantime, there have been several highly successful and gripping battle accounts from THE WAR ON TERROR that in my opinion, as a former screenwriter and story editor, would adapt very well:  HOUSE TO HOUSE, WE WERE ONE, LONE SURVIVOR, and ROBERTS RIDGE all come to mind immediately.  If Hollywood was doing its job, we&#8217;d certainly know by now whether the moviegoing would turn out in better numbers for real war movies based on these and other stories than for the kind that we&#8217;ve had so many of.</p>
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		<title>By: David C</title>
		<link>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/suderman/3063#comment-114507</link>
		<dc:creator>David C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoops, reading the blog in the wrong order, I missed Max Boot's post about the Post article referenced above....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops, reading the blog in the wrong order, I missed Max Boot&#8217;s post about the Post article referenced above&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: lester</title>
		<link>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/suderman/3063#comment-114506</link>
		<dc:creator>lester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anyone who has netflix be sure to check out my reviews
http://www.netflix.com/StrangerReviews?prid=477892184&#38;lnkctr=MDP2RL

lots of 70's era</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anyone who has netflix be sure to check out my reviews<br />
<a href="http://www.netflix.com/StrangerReviews?prid=477892184&amp;lnkctr=MDP2RL" rel="nofollow">http://www.netflix.com/StrangerReviews?prid=477892184&amp;lnkctr=MDP2RL</a></p>
<p>lots of 70&#8217;s era</p>
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		<title>By: David C</title>
		<link>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/suderman/3063#comment-114505</link>
		<dc:creator>David C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There's a pretty terrible article on the same subject in today's Washington Post:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/03/24/ST2008032403372.html

Oh, it's factually accurate and interesting on that level, but it's amusing to me how the writer considers just about every possible explanation for the failure of these movies *except* the notion that perhaps American audiences don't care for an exclusively counterfactual "Bu$hitler Lied, People Died" view of the war, or portraying American soldiers as either hapless victims of Halliburton's evil or evil rapists and murderers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a pretty terrible article on the same subject in today&#8217;s Washington Post:<br />
<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/03/24/ST2008032403372.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/03/24/ST2008032403372.html</a></p>
<p>Oh, it&#8217;s factually accurate and interesting on that level, but it&#8217;s amusing to me how the writer considers just about every possible explanation for the failure of these movies *except* the notion that perhaps American audiences don&#8217;t care for an exclusively counterfactual &#8220;Bu$hitler Lied, People Died&#8221; view of the war, or portraying American soldiers as either hapless victims of Halliburton&#8217;s evil or evil rapists and murderers.</p>
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