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	<title>Comments on: Obama and American Jews</title>
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	<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 06:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Michael M. Singer</title>
		<link>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-114293</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael M. Singer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 23:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With regard to the statements attributed to Ali Abunimah:  why should we put any credence in the words of someone who's been characterized as an extreme critic of Israel?  

If we wouldn't believe him about the history of the conflict since 1947, why should we believe him when he says things that try to put Barack Obama in a bad light?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With regard to the statements attributed to Ali Abunimah:  why should we put any credence in the words of someone who&#8217;s been characterized as an extreme critic of Israel?  </p>
<p>If we wouldn&#8217;t believe him about the history of the conflict since 1947, why should we believe him when he says things that try to put Barack Obama in a bad light?</p>
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		<title>By: SUNNY GOLD</title>
		<link>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-111252</link>
		<dc:creator>SUNNY GOLD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 21:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frankly, I don't care what  Obama's religion is and I am happy that he is a proud African American. 
I've read many of his own words and seen who is supporting him, and all I can conclude is this...do you remember the words, "NEVER AGAIN"? I sure hope I'm wrong,  but Jews may live to eat those words if Mr. Obama is elected. And if Jews live to eat those words, you can be sure the Islamists have succeeded in their bid to convert, through force, the whole world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frankly, I don&#8217;t care what  Obama&#8217;s religion is and I am happy that he is a proud African American.<br />
I&#8217;ve read many of his own words and seen who is supporting him, and all I can conclude is this&#8230;do you remember the words, &#8220;NEVER AGAIN&#8221;? I sure hope I&#8217;m wrong,  but Jews may live to eat those words if Mr. Obama is elected. And if Jews live to eat those words, you can be sure the Islamists have succeeded in their bid to convert, through force, the whole world.</p>
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		<title>By: Realitycheck</title>
		<link>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-105157</link>
		<dc:creator>Realitycheck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-105157</guid>
		<description>We Jews are displaying our traditional naievitay about the Obama/ Israel "issue". We need to think outside the box about this:
THE REAL PROBLEM WITH OBAMA is NOT THE CANDIDATE or his stand on Israel but, rather, the significant degree of ANTISEMITISM IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY. The candidate is a good, intelligent man. He is sincere and committed to "diversity". However, HIS SUPPORTERS are the ones who will be doing the hiring, firing, writing of administrative code, etc THUS, BECAUSE OF THE HIGH LEVEL OF CRONYISM AND ANTISEMITISM IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY, HIS CRONIES  pose THE REAL THREAT FOR JEWS. Think about how effectively Bush's cronies pushed the envelope on policy at local, state and federal levels in all matters. It had nothing to do with Bush...he could have been (and probably was) sleeping. It is no different here: you elect not only a candidate, but also his key backers, relatives, friends and friends of friends. And there is a substantial, well-entrenched "good old boy" system among blacks. This includes a "Don't ask, don't tell" code of honor...they close their eyes and look the other way at wrongdoing against whites. A code of silence. This occurs especially in the workplace. There are documented cases of wrongdoing against Jews by black superiors in government, especially in Illinois...where Obama's base of support began. He is supported by that network and panders to them. There are people in this "club" that have actually been found guilty of harrassment in the workplace on the basis of religion by a court, yet have been promoted high up the ladder of Illinois state government because, in their own words, they are "protected" people. And these are just the things that have been prosecuted. What about the small daily stuff that we just shrug off as isolated instances? Most Jews are oblivious to all of this because they don't personally experience it or know anyone who has. So, naievely, we go about funding and supporting the very laudible cause of "first black President". The question we need to be asking ourselves, however, is are we also digging our own hole with our passion for social justice? The saying "No good deed goes unpunished" might just be the appropriate caveat here. (See especially: Findlaw, US Court of Appeals for the 7th Circuit, # 00-3325, Shanoff v State of Illinois Dept of Human Services, 2001)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We Jews are displaying our traditional naievitay about the Obama/ Israel &#8220;issue&#8221;. We need to think outside the box about this:<br />
THE REAL PROBLEM WITH OBAMA is NOT THE CANDIDATE or his stand on Israel but, rather, the significant degree of ANTISEMITISM IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY. The candidate is a good, intelligent man. He is sincere and committed to &#8220;diversity&#8221;. However, HIS SUPPORTERS are the ones who will be doing the hiring, firing, writing of administrative code, etc THUS, BECAUSE OF THE HIGH LEVEL OF CRONYISM AND ANTISEMITISM IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY, HIS CRONIES  pose THE REAL THREAT FOR JEWS. Think about how effectively Bush&#8217;s cronies pushed the envelope on policy at local, state and federal levels in all matters. It had nothing to do with Bush&#8230;he could have been (and probably was) sleeping. It is no different here: you elect not only a candidate, but also his key backers, relatives, friends and friends of friends. And there is a substantial, well-entrenched &#8220;good old boy&#8221; system among blacks. This includes a &#8220;Don&#8217;t ask, don&#8217;t tell&#8221; code of honor&#8230;they close their eyes and look the other way at wrongdoing against whites. A code of silence. This occurs especially in the workplace. There are documented cases of wrongdoing against Jews by black superiors in government, especially in Illinois&#8230;where Obama&#8217;s base of support began. He is supported by that network and panders to them. There are people in this &#8220;club&#8221; that have actually been found guilty of harrassment in the workplace on the basis of religion by a court, yet have been promoted high up the ladder of Illinois state government because, in their own words, they are &#8220;protected&#8221; people. And these are just the things that have been prosecuted. What about the small daily stuff that we just shrug off as isolated instances? Most Jews are oblivious to all of this because they don&#8217;t personally experience it or know anyone who has. So, naievely, we go about funding and supporting the very laudible cause of &#8220;first black President&#8221;. The question we need to be asking ourselves, however, is are we also digging our own hole with our passion for social justice? The saying &#8220;No good deed goes unpunished&#8221; might just be the appropriate caveat here. (See especially: Findlaw, US Court of Appeals for the 7th Circuit, # 00-3325, Shanoff v State of Illinois Dept of Human Services, 2001)</p>
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		<title>By: deapp</title>
		<link>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-104601</link>
		<dc:creator>deapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 03:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-104601</guid>
		<description>McCain vs Obama 

From the Democratic Party..."Nearly 24 years after voting against creating a holiday honoring Martin Luther King, John McCain is spending today at the inauguration of Alabama Governor Bob Riley who is a member of an organization that has been criticized for excluding African Americans. The "Grand Master" of the Grand Lodge of Alabama admits he knows of no African American members among the groups 30,000 plus membership. [AP, 9/30/2006] McCain's push to cozy up to far right extremists is not surprising, given his contradictions in the past. In the 2000 presidential campaign, McCain reversed himself on the confederate flag first calling it "a symbol of racism and slavery" but then pandering the very next day by calling it a "symbol of heritage." In past efforts to pander to a far right base that doesn’t trust him, McCain campaigned in Alabama for George Wallace Jr., a popular speaker at a white supremacist hate group, continues to employ a strategist who denounced the creation of a Federal holiday honoring Dr. King as "vicious" and "profane," and even hired the man responsible for the racist ads against Harold Ford in the Senate race in Tennessee in 2006. [New York Times, 4/20/00, San Diego Union Tribune, 1/18/00; Associated Press, 11/17/05, Southern Poverty Law Center, Intelligence Report, Summer 2005; AP, 6/6/05; New York Times, 10/27/06; New York Times, 10/26/06; Union Leader, 12/8/06]"

1983: McCain Voted Against Creating Martin Luther King Holiday.

McCain Flip Flopped On The Confederate Flag, First Calling It Offensive And Then Calling It A Symbol Of Heritage.

McCain Endorsed George Wallace Jr., Called Him A "Committed Conservative Reformer," Despite Speeches to Hate Group (CCC).

Racist Ad Against Harold Ford Approved By Terry Nelson, Senior McCain Strategist.

Richard Quinn, McCain's South Carolina Spokesman, Criticized the MLK Holiday as "Vitriolic and Profane.

Now, what's all the fuss about OBAMA?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McCain vs Obama </p>
<p>From the Democratic Party&#8230;&#8221;Nearly 24 years after voting against creating a holiday honoring Martin Luther King, John McCain is spending today at the inauguration of Alabama Governor Bob Riley who is a member of an organization that has been criticized for excluding African Americans. The &#8220;Grand Master&#8221; of the Grand Lodge of Alabama admits he knows of no African American members among the groups 30,000 plus membership. [AP, 9/30/2006] McCain&#8217;s push to cozy up to far right extremists is not surprising, given his contradictions in the past. In the 2000 presidential campaign, McCain reversed himself on the confederate flag first calling it &#8220;a symbol of racism and slavery&#8221; but then pandering the very next day by calling it a &#8220;symbol of heritage.&#8221; In past efforts to pander to a far right base that doesn’t trust him, McCain campaigned in Alabama for George Wallace Jr., a popular speaker at a white supremacist hate group, continues to employ a strategist who denounced the creation of a Federal holiday honoring Dr. King as &#8220;vicious&#8221; and &#8220;profane,&#8221; and even hired the man responsible for the racist ads against Harold Ford in the Senate race in Tennessee in 2006. [New York Times, 4/20/00, San Diego Union Tribune, 1/18/00; Associated Press, 11/17/05, Southern Poverty Law Center, Intelligence Report, Summer 2005; AP, 6/6/05; New York Times, 10/27/06; New York Times, 10/26/06; Union Leader, 12/8/06]&#8221;</p>
<p>1983: McCain Voted Against Creating Martin Luther King Holiday.</p>
<p>McCain Flip Flopped On The Confederate Flag, First Calling It Offensive And Then Calling It A Symbol Of Heritage.</p>
<p>McCain Endorsed George Wallace Jr., Called Him A &#8220;Committed Conservative Reformer,&#8221; Despite Speeches to Hate Group (CCC).</p>
<p>Racist Ad Against Harold Ford Approved By Terry Nelson, Senior McCain Strategist.</p>
<p>Richard Quinn, McCain&#8217;s South Carolina Spokesman, Criticized the MLK Holiday as &#8220;Vitriolic and Profane.</p>
<p>Now, what&#8217;s all the fuss about OBAMA?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Levy</title>
		<link>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-102982</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 14:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-102982</guid>
		<description>The proposition of Obama as President is generically a leap of faith.
With the Clintons advocating the known 'trust and middle ground democratic values' motif, Obamas ethnicity seems more likely to succeed in the changing climate.
Unfortunately, we won't know his position on Israel and the supposed 'Israel lobby' until he is given the chance to exact policy-should he be elected.
There is a vagueness regarding this contentious issue, however.
I would not be satisfied with Obamas statements to date.
If there is war brewing-or at least more friction in the Middle East to come, I don't believe Obamas strategy has been made known.
His team will obviously reply that that scenario is pure speculation and supposition. However, ALL political mandates are that until either worked upon or rejected in favour of 'changing circumstances'! 
I was once mistaken in believing Obama still had close ties with Islam. It appears I was mislead, however, the domestic ethnic cohesion and world Muslim 'emancipation' against the West is coming about, and Obamas testing ground will be upon that single issue and how it impinges upon the American people he swears to represent.
regards
Jeff Levy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The proposition of Obama as President is generically a leap of faith.<br />
With the Clintons advocating the known &#8216;trust and middle ground democratic values&#8217; motif, Obamas ethnicity seems more likely to succeed in the changing climate.<br />
Unfortunately, we won&#8217;t know his position on Israel and the supposed &#8216;Israel lobby&#8217; until he is given the chance to exact policy-should he be elected.<br />
There is a vagueness regarding this contentious issue, however.<br />
I would not be satisfied with Obamas statements to date.<br />
If there is war brewing-or at least more friction in the Middle East to come, I don&#8217;t believe Obamas strategy has been made known.<br />
His team will obviously reply that that scenario is pure speculation and supposition. However, ALL political mandates are that until either worked upon or rejected in favour of &#8216;changing circumstances&#8217;!<br />
I was once mistaken in believing Obama still had close ties with Islam. It appears I was mislead, however, the domestic ethnic cohesion and world Muslim &#8216;emancipation&#8217; against the West is coming about, and Obamas testing ground will be upon that single issue and how it impinges upon the American people he swears to represent.<br />
regards<br />
Jeff Levy</p>
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		<title>By: Janet Reno</title>
		<link>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-100036</link>
		<dc:creator>Janet Reno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 01:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-100036</guid>
		<description>Obama’s efforts to connect to the Republican Party, specifically Bush, and Dick Chaney, of the Halliburton Company, dates back to the Presidents Grandfather, Prescott Bush, and indeed Chaney was once an executive officer of Halliburton.

The American military pounds Iraq with Artillary, bombs, and the like, destroying large sections of cities, and infra-structures, then Halliburton comes in to rebuild. Halliburton and Halliburton associated companies have raked in ten’s of billions.

Obama is just like the BIG HALIBURTAN. Haliburton has contracted to build detention centers in the U.S. similiar to the one in Quantanammo Bay, Cuba. Halliburton does nothing to earn the Two Dollars for each meal an American Serviceman in Iraq eats.

http://www.associatedcontent.c.....ong…

Halliburton was scheduled to take control of the Dubai Ports in The United Arab Emiirate. The deal was canceled when Bush was unable to affect the transfer of the American Ports. 

Now we see what some might suspect as similiar financial escapading from the Democrats. 

Two years ago, Iraq’s Ministry of Electricity gave a $50 million contract to a start-up security company - Companion- owned by now-indicted businessman (TONY REZKO) Tony Rezko and a onetime Chicago cop, Daniel T. Frawley, to train Iraqi power-plant guards in the United States. An Iraqi leadership change left the deal in limbo. Now the company, Companion Security, is working to revive its contract.
Involved along with Antoin “Tony” Rezco, long time friend and neighbor of Democratic Presidential hopeful Barack Obama, and former cop Daniel T. Frawley, is Aiham Alsammarae. Alsammarae was accused of financial corruption by Iraqi authorities and jailed in Iraq last year before escaping and returning here. 

Obama should be vetted and disclose his connection to the criminal money generating underworld. Besides, his connections to the REZCO MAFIA types, his up-coming tax fraud charges — Obama needs to disclose why he is a Muslim and stop suppoting our intervention in IRAQ. It’s time to shove an introduction to this fake rip-off Obama and invite the thief pipsqueke to meet the Waukesheake Police Department.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama’s efforts to connect to the Republican Party, specifically Bush, and Dick Chaney, of the Halliburton Company, dates back to the Presidents Grandfather, Prescott Bush, and indeed Chaney was once an executive officer of Halliburton.</p>
<p>The American military pounds Iraq with Artillary, bombs, and the like, destroying large sections of cities, and infra-structures, then Halliburton comes in to rebuild. Halliburton and Halliburton associated companies have raked in ten’s of billions.</p>
<p>Obama is just like the BIG HALIBURTAN. Haliburton has contracted to build detention centers in the U.S. similiar to the one in Quantanammo Bay, Cuba. Halliburton does nothing to earn the Two Dollars for each meal an American Serviceman in Iraq eats.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.associatedcontent.c.....ong" rel="nofollow">http://www.associatedcontent.c&#8230;..ong</a>…</p>
<p>Halliburton was scheduled to take control of the Dubai Ports in The United Arab Emiirate. The deal was canceled when Bush was unable to affect the transfer of the American Ports. </p>
<p>Now we see what some might suspect as similiar financial escapading from the Democrats. </p>
<p>Two years ago, Iraq’s Ministry of Electricity gave a $50 million contract to a start-up security company - Companion- owned by now-indicted businessman (TONY REZKO) Tony Rezko and a onetime Chicago cop, Daniel T. Frawley, to train Iraqi power-plant guards in the United States. An Iraqi leadership change left the deal in limbo. Now the company, Companion Security, is working to revive its contract.<br />
Involved along with Antoin “Tony” Rezco, long time friend and neighbor of Democratic Presidential hopeful Barack Obama, and former cop Daniel T. Frawley, is Aiham Alsammarae. Alsammarae was accused of financial corruption by Iraqi authorities and jailed in Iraq last year before escaping and returning here. </p>
<p>Obama should be vetted and disclose his connection to the criminal money generating underworld. Besides, his connections to the REZCO MAFIA types, his up-coming tax fraud charges — Obama needs to disclose why he is a Muslim and stop suppoting our intervention in IRAQ. It’s time to shove an introduction to this fake rip-off Obama and invite the thief pipsqueke to meet the Waukesheake Police Department.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-96585</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-96585</guid>
		<description>Obama is a socialist con man who will never willingly show his true feelings and beliefs on the primary trail or in the general election.  He wants power and has worked towards that end since he left Havard.  He see's his father as a role model for gods sake.  The same father that abandoned his wife and son and was nothing but an intellectual posser his whole life.  

Lets start with Obama's kill the whitey Farakan supporting jew hating preacher who Obama can't quite find a reason to denounce and leave the church.  

African first, Minority second, American third, that is my kind of leader.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama is a socialist con man who will never willingly show his true feelings and beliefs on the primary trail or in the general election.  He wants power and has worked towards that end since he left Havard.  He see&#8217;s his father as a role model for gods sake.  The same father that abandoned his wife and son and was nothing but an intellectual posser his whole life.  </p>
<p>Lets start with Obama&#8217;s kill the whitey Farakan supporting jew hating preacher who Obama can&#8217;t quite find a reason to denounce and leave the church.  </p>
<p>African first, Minority second, American third, that is my kind of leader.</p>
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		<title>By: a hat trick</title>
		<link>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-91292</link>
		<dc:creator>a hat trick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 10:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-91292</guid>
		<description>THE fix for his problem is for Obama to concern himself with the USA. I'm trying to vote for the president of the USA, not Israel.

What would you say if your father was always at your neighbor's house, fixing their water faucet, their gun fights, sending your brothers to die for them and cheating your mom out of money to the point where you couldn't afford healthcare and your home spiraled to shambles?

Then one of your brothers ask your father to stop... but both your dad and the neighbor call you a terrorist, or an anti-semite. (an accusation which is seen as a sin by even your mom).

That's the world we live in here in the States. Not even God can change that, because it's reading his Word that has made us believe daddy's actions are those of a good Christian.

Now come the psuedo-intellectual, claiming we can't leave the Middle East alone else we perish, too.

My friends. It's a good show, but the David Copperfields in the White House must be exposed; someone has to think rationally and yell that the bunny didn't really appear from the hat.

Fear will always keep us in the Middle East. Fear propagated in everything you read, yet refuse, if for your own security's sake, to CONSIDER whether we are being used as pawns, here.

If you will not take that into consideration, then please contact me. I'd love to trade bonds with you!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THE fix for his problem is for Obama to concern himself with the USA. I&#8217;m trying to vote for the president of the USA, not Israel.</p>
<p>What would you say if your father was always at your neighbor&#8217;s house, fixing their water faucet, their gun fights, sending your brothers to die for them and cheating your mom out of money to the point where you couldn&#8217;t afford healthcare and your home spiraled to shambles?</p>
<p>Then one of your brothers ask your father to stop&#8230; but both your dad and the neighbor call you a terrorist, or an anti-semite. (an accusation which is seen as a sin by even your mom).</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the world we live in here in the States. Not even God can change that, because it&#8217;s reading his Word that has made us believe daddy&#8217;s actions are those of a good Christian.</p>
<p>Now come the psuedo-intellectual, claiming we can&#8217;t leave the Middle East alone else we perish, too.</p>
<p>My friends. It&#8217;s a good show, but the David Copperfields in the White House must be exposed; someone has to think rationally and yell that the bunny didn&#8217;t really appear from the hat.</p>
<p>Fear will always keep us in the Middle East. Fear propagated in everything you read, yet refuse, if for your own security&#8217;s sake, to CONSIDER whether we are being used as pawns, here.</p>
<p>If you will not take that into consideration, then please contact me. I&#8217;d love to trade bonds with you!!!</p>
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		<title>By: concerned</title>
		<link>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-91291</link>
		<dc:creator>concerned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 10:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-91291</guid>
		<description>THE fix for his problem is for Obama to concern himself with the USA. I'm trying to vote for the president of the USA, not Israel.

What would you say if your father was always at your neighbor's house, fixing their water faucet, their gun fights, sending your brothers to die for them and cheating your mom out of money to the point where you couldn't afford healthcare and your home spiraled to shambles?

Then one of your brothers ask your father to stop... but both your dad and the neighbor call you a terrorist, or an anti-semite. (an accusation which is seen as a sin by even your mom).

That's the world we live in here in the States. Not even God can change that, because it's reading his Word that has made us believe daddy's actions are those of a good Christian.

Now come the psuedo-intellectual, claiming we can't leave the Middle East alone else we perish, too.

My friends. It's a good show, but the David Copperfields in the White House must be exposed; someone has to think rationally and yell that the bunny didn't really appear from the hat.

Fear will always keep us in the Middle East. Fear propagated in everything you read, yet refuse, if for your own security's sake, to CONSIDER whether we are being used as pawns, here.

If you will not take that into consideration, then please contact me. I'd love to trade bonds with you!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THE fix for his problem is for Obama to concern himself with the USA. I&#8217;m trying to vote for the president of the USA, not Israel.</p>
<p>What would you say if your father was always at your neighbor&#8217;s house, fixing their water faucet, their gun fights, sending your brothers to die for them and cheating your mom out of money to the point where you couldn&#8217;t afford healthcare and your home spiraled to shambles?</p>
<p>Then one of your brothers ask your father to stop&#8230; but both your dad and the neighbor call you a terrorist, or an anti-semite. (an accusation which is seen as a sin by even your mom).</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the world we live in here in the States. Not even God can change that, because it&#8217;s reading his Word that has made us believe daddy&#8217;s actions are those of a good Christian.</p>
<p>Now come the psuedo-intellectual, claiming we can&#8217;t leave the Middle East alone else we perish, too.</p>
<p>My friends. It&#8217;s a good show, but the David Copperfields in the White House must be exposed; someone has to think rationally and yell that the bunny didn&#8217;t really appear from the hat.</p>
<p>Fear will always keep us in the Middle East. Fear propagated in everything you read, yet refuse, if for your own security&#8217;s sake, to CONSIDER whether we are being used as pawns, here.</p>
<p>If you will not take that into consideration, then please contact me. I&#8217;d love to trade bonds with you!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Strauss</title>
		<link>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-90787</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Strauss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 19:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-90787</guid>
		<description>If my Rabbi made anti Cristian statements,and then awarded an honor to Rabbi Meyer Kahanna,I would resign from the Temple.Tell me why Rev Wright says what he does and honors Louis Farakhan.why does Obama stay?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If my Rabbi made anti Cristian statements,and then awarded an honor to Rabbi Meyer Kahanna,I would resign from the Temple.Tell me why Rev Wright says what he does and honors Louis Farakhan.why does Obama stay?</p>
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		<title>By: Yaniv</title>
		<link>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-90010</link>
		<dc:creator>Yaniv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 07:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-90010</guid>
		<description>Agreed completely with Amir.  I'm also a dual Israeli/American citizen.   Israeli policies since 1967 have been its undoing.   Extravagant and nearly unconditional American support(which in my judgment owes much to the efforts of the Israel Lobby and supporters who reflexively kowtow to the most extremist and irresponsible of Israeli governments--and far too frequently accuse their critics of antisemitism) has made this possible--has allowed Israel to pursue otherwise unsustainable policies, unwise policies.  Absent such unconditional support, Israel would have had to come to grips with its difficult situation sooner, and sooner would have been much better.  
For many years, unconditional American aid has strengthened the hand of the hawks, of the most nationalist and least reasonable voices in Israeli politics, whose policies in turn bred extremism on the other side.  Many American supporters of Israel did not and do not recognize the profound disagreements among Israelis over the construction of settlements, treatment of Israeli Arabs, and many other policies that have increasingly backed Israel into a corner.  With its nuclear capability Israel has had the means for several decades to repel any attack and indeed to utterly destroy any attacker.  It needed this card to survive in the short term; but it could not expect to rely on it forever--in the long term it needed to find a way to make peace, to live within its dysfunctional neighborhood.   The position that Israel has done everything possible for peace and that the other side in its irrationality and blind hatred and fanaticism is solely responsible for sabotaging these efforts is plain wrong and ignores the complexity of Israelis’ motives.  6,000 miles away it's easy to miss the forks in the road, the policy decisions that have taken Israel to this point.  American supporters of Israel do not recognize the extent to which internal politics time and again trumped long-term consideration of the country’s interests, the instances where particular groups were pandered to in the short term (and often under the guise of furthering security) at a devastating cumulative cost.  As long as the US remains ascendant and as long as Israel can count on its unwavering support, this dynamic will not change and the only possible outcome is disaster for Israel.  I really hope the next administration musters up the courage to question and challenge and doesn’t just offer more of the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed completely with Amir.  I&#8217;m also a dual Israeli/American citizen.   Israeli policies since 1967 have been its undoing.   Extravagant and nearly unconditional American support(which in my judgment owes much to the efforts of the Israel Lobby and supporters who reflexively kowtow to the most extremist and irresponsible of Israeli governments&#8211;and far too frequently accuse their critics of antisemitism) has made this possible&#8211;has allowed Israel to pursue otherwise unsustainable policies, unwise policies.  Absent such unconditional support, Israel would have had to come to grips with its difficult situation sooner, and sooner would have been much better.<br />
For many years, unconditional American aid has strengthened the hand of the hawks, of the most nationalist and least reasonable voices in Israeli politics, whose policies in turn bred extremism on the other side.  Many American supporters of Israel did not and do not recognize the profound disagreements among Israelis over the construction of settlements, treatment of Israeli Arabs, and many other policies that have increasingly backed Israel into a corner.  With its nuclear capability Israel has had the means for several decades to repel any attack and indeed to utterly destroy any attacker.  It needed this card to survive in the short term; but it could not expect to rely on it forever&#8211;in the long term it needed to find a way to make peace, to live within its dysfunctional neighborhood.   The position that Israel has done everything possible for peace and that the other side in its irrationality and blind hatred and fanaticism is solely responsible for sabotaging these efforts is plain wrong and ignores the complexity of Israelis’ motives.  6,000 miles away it&#8217;s easy to miss the forks in the road, the policy decisions that have taken Israel to this point.  American supporters of Israel do not recognize the extent to which internal politics time and again trumped long-term consideration of the country’s interests, the instances where particular groups were pandered to in the short term (and often under the guise of furthering security) at a devastating cumulative cost.  As long as the US remains ascendant and as long as Israel can count on its unwavering support, this dynamic will not change and the only possible outcome is disaster for Israel.  I really hope the next administration musters up the courage to question and challenge and doesn’t just offer more of the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Amir</title>
		<link>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-88964</link>
		<dc:creator>Amir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-88964</guid>
		<description>I am an American/Israel Jew who believes tha the Israel Lobby is in fact the most atively anti-Israel force in the political landscacpe out there. They consistently advocate for policies that are against the best interests of the state of Israel.  Period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an American/Israel Jew who believes tha the Israel Lobby is in fact the most atively anti-Israel force in the political landscacpe out there. They consistently advocate for policies that are against the best interests of the state of Israel.  Period.</p>
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		<title>By: moxtell</title>
		<link>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-88929</link>
		<dc:creator>moxtell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-88929</guid>
		<description>All religions suck. Islam just sucks more than all the others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All religions suck. Islam just sucks more than all the others.</p>
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		<title>By: ThereTheyGoAgain</title>
		<link>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-88359</link>
		<dc:creator>ThereTheyGoAgain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 21:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-88359</guid>
		<description>"Are the Jews going to crucify a man who actually shows an intent to get things accomplished?"

There those Jews go again...crucifying people. Thanks for that insight. You'd think they'd learn...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Are the Jews going to crucify a man who actually shows an intent to get things accomplished?&#8221;</p>
<p>There those Jews go again&#8230;crucifying people. Thanks for that insight. You&#8217;d think they&#8217;d learn&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: fp</title>
		<link>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-88239</link>
		<dc:creator>fp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-88239</guid>
		<description>No, Xanthippas, all the stupidity is ignorance is with you. You're an idiot.

It's not a matter of pro-Israel policy, but a pro-American one. Appeasing a cult of death unable to form a society and sworn to undermining and destruction and supremacy over the west--which is milennia old primitive culture and religion--is not in the american interest no matter how delusional westerners like you are that if you just dump israel, you'll save your ass from jihad. doing that will whet not sate the islamists' appetite for destroying the west.

relative to the 7th century supermacist, mysoginistic, opressive, treacherous and blood-thirsty muslim/arab culture and religion how ignorant and stupid do you have to be to have the nerve to even mention the "merit of Israel's contention"?

Moron.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Xanthippas, all the stupidity is ignorance is with you. You&#8217;re an idiot.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a matter of pro-Israel policy, but a pro-American one. Appeasing a cult of death unable to form a society and sworn to undermining and destruction and supremacy over the west&#8211;which is milennia old primitive culture and religion&#8211;is not in the american interest no matter how delusional westerners like you are that if you just dump israel, you&#8217;ll save your ass from jihad. doing that will whet not sate the islamists&#8217; appetite for destroying the west.</p>
<p>relative to the 7th century supermacist, mysoginistic, opressive, treacherous and blood-thirsty muslim/arab culture and religion how ignorant and stupid do you have to be to have the nerve to even mention the &#8220;merit of Israel&#8217;s contention&#8221;?</p>
<p>Moron.</p>
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		<title>By: Xanthippas</title>
		<link>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-88216</link>
		<dc:creator>Xanthippas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-88216</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt;After all, Obama is on record as having called for an “even-handed approach” to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in 2000...&lt;/i&gt;

Do you guys realize how stupid this stuff sounds as you're writing it? We know of course that your most fervent desire is that our foreign policy be unabashedly pro-Israel whatever the merits of Israel's actual contentions and whatever effect it has on our own national security, but is it necessary that you be so obvious about it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>After all, Obama is on record as having called for an “even-handed approach” to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in 2000&#8230;</i></p>
<p>Do you guys realize how stupid this stuff sounds as you&#8217;re writing it? We know of course that your most fervent desire is that our foreign policy be unabashedly pro-Israel whatever the merits of Israel&#8217;s actual contentions and whatever effect it has on our own national security, but is it necessary that you be so obvious about it?</p>
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		<title>By: Ziggy Zoggy</title>
		<link>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-87890</link>
		<dc:creator>Ziggy Zoggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-87890</guid>
		<description>ndm &#38; Patrick Stedman,

You forgot to preface your comments with the appropriate "Sig Heil!"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ndm &amp; Patrick Stedman,</p>
<p>You forgot to preface your comments with the appropriate &#8220;Sig Heil!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ziggy Zoggy</title>
		<link>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-87888</link>
		<dc:creator>Ziggy Zoggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-87888</guid>
		<description>Obama never heard his Pastor make anti-Semitic statements, eh? Is that supposed to prove he didn't make them? Does it absolve Obama of his ethical and moral duty to confront his Pastor over the statements he supposedly never made?

I think not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama never heard his Pastor make anti-Semitic statements, eh? Is that supposed to prove he didn&#8217;t make them? Does it absolve Obama of his ethical and moral duty to confront his Pastor over the statements he supposedly never made?</p>
<p>I think not.</p>
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		<title>By: fp</title>
		<link>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-87765</link>
		<dc:creator>fp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-87765</guid>
		<description>"Barack Obama can denounce Louis Farrakhan ad infinitum. But with supporters like Ms. Saltzman, high-level staffers who are Nation of Islam members, and &lt;b&gt;constantly morphing views on Israel merely for donor appeal&lt;/b&gt;, a Barack Obama White House bodes poorly both for Israel and--far more important--for America." --Debie Sclussel

just as i thought. and they're all like him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Barack Obama can denounce Louis Farrakhan ad infinitum. But with supporters like Ms. Saltzman, high-level staffers who are Nation of Islam members, and <b>constantly morphing views on Israel merely for donor appeal</b>, a Barack Obama White House bodes poorly both for Israel and&#8211;far more important&#8211;for America.&#8221; &#8211;Debie Sclussel</p>
<p>just as i thought. and they&#8217;re all like him.</p>
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		<title>By: fp</title>
		<link>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-87761</link>
		<dc:creator>fp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-87761</guid>
		<description>more on obama's team and NOI:

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/01/obamas_nation_o.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>more on obama&#8217;s team and NOI:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/01/obamas_nation_o.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/01/obamas_nation_o.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: fp</title>
		<link>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-87756</link>
		<dc:creator>fp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-87756</guid>
		<description>i very much doubt that any american politician is truly concerned with "fairness for the palestinians" or what the real nature of the conflict is. instead, like most western politicians, they are concerned with only two main aspects: how to get campaign contributions and win elections and how to appease the muslim world of which they are scared shitless. this is what
mearsheimer and walt tapped into when they came up with their article and booked, for which they did no real research.

when a society is in serious crisis and decline -- like the US is now due to its own ignorant and incompetent policies -- the instinct is to seek scapegoats. and there is hardly a more convenient one than the jews: they've always been scapegoats, nobody likes them, there are too few of them and are unlikely to blow themselves up or drive planes into skyscrapers, in fact there are even self-hating jews who see the jews as villains to "save their ass". that's exactly what happened in 1938 and what is happening now in europe and the US. the notion that america is unique and not subject to the same social forces as any other society has always been a crock.

so it's not just obama that should be expected to give it to the jews at first opportunity. anybody who will become president will do it, because that's the easiest and most expedient thing to do; and easy and expedient is the american way. the delusion that this will somehow appease the jihadis and stop them is simply too attractive relative to what the US really needs to do but cannot because it is both morally and economically bankrupt.

so it's not obama that is a problem. it's western decline in general and american decline in particular. the elite only reflects it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i very much doubt that any american politician is truly concerned with &#8220;fairness for the palestinians&#8221; or what the real nature of the conflict is. instead, like most western politicians, they are concerned with only two main aspects: how to get campaign contributions and win elections and how to appease the muslim world of which they are scared shitless. this is what<br />
mearsheimer and walt tapped into when they came up with their article and booked, for which they did no real research.</p>
<p>when a society is in serious crisis and decline &#8212; like the US is now due to its own ignorant and incompetent policies &#8212; the instinct is to seek scapegoats. and there is hardly a more convenient one than the jews: they&#8217;ve always been scapegoats, nobody likes them, there are too few of them and are unlikely to blow themselves up or drive planes into skyscrapers, in fact there are even self-hating jews who see the jews as villains to &#8220;save their ass&#8221;. that&#8217;s exactly what happened in 1938 and what is happening now in europe and the US. the notion that america is unique and not subject to the same social forces as any other society has always been a crock.</p>
<p>so it&#8217;s not just obama that should be expected to give it to the jews at first opportunity. anybody who will become president will do it, because that&#8217;s the easiest and most expedient thing to do; and easy and expedient is the american way. the delusion that this will somehow appease the jihadis and stop them is simply too attractive relative to what the US really needs to do but cannot because it is both morally and economically bankrupt.</p>
<p>so it&#8217;s not obama that is a problem. it&#8217;s western decline in general and american decline in particular. the elite only reflects it.</p>
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		<title>By: lbnaz</title>
		<link>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-87729</link>
		<dc:creator>lbnaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-87729</guid>
		<description>The biggest ME "Lobby" in the US and globally is the anti-Israel lobby that swallowed whole the shoddy Walt &#38; Mearsheimer scapegoating formulation. As for Obama, no one really has a clue how he will deal with one of the world's most intractable conflicts, but I have no use for advisors of any presidential candidate who buy into the Walt and Mearsheimer scapegoating formulation, no matter how popular it is at the present time. 

If ethnic American lobbies were to be expunged from the American political system, leaving all their concerns to be communicated most probably by Caucasian technocrats with Western European and Christian family backgrounds, then there would be justification to worry about an elite and hegemonic conspiracy and a lack of accountable representation in the American body politic. 

Worth reading: http://tinyurl.com/yqs5mp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest ME &#8220;Lobby&#8221; in the US and globally is the anti-Israel lobby that swallowed whole the shoddy Walt &amp; Mearsheimer scapegoating formulation. As for Obama, no one really has a clue how he will deal with one of the world&#8217;s most intractable conflicts, but I have no use for advisors of any presidential candidate who buy into the Walt and Mearsheimer scapegoating formulation, no matter how popular it is at the present time. </p>
<p>If ethnic American lobbies were to be expunged from the American political system, leaving all their concerns to be communicated most probably by Caucasian technocrats with Western European and Christian family backgrounds, then there would be justification to worry about an elite and hegemonic conspiracy and a lack of accountable representation in the American body politic. </p>
<p>Worth reading: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/yqs5mp" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/yqs5mp</a></p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Stedman</title>
		<link>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-87622</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Stedman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 14:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-87622</guid>
		<description>Wow, i apologize for the poor grammar, i should have proofread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, i apologize for the poor grammar, i should have proofread.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Stedman</title>
		<link>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-87621</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Stedman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 14:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-87621</guid>
		<description>As of right now there is a unique chance in Palestine to achieve a peace deal.  Israel has 2 factions- moderate Fatah and militant Hamas- each now distinct palestinian groups with different approaches to Israel.  Israel should be siezing this opportunity to sign into a deal with Abbas for some form of pre-1967 borders and should be working to bring up the economic status of the West Bank to discredit Hamas and all militant activity against Israel.  Instead, Israel has continued to build settlements in East Jerusalem and has refused to forecefully stop settlers from constructing more settlements in the West Bank, instead, it just tells them they dont have permission.  

Israel, however, has done none of that.  Israel has continued to treat the first Palestinians- who havent been violent- like dirt, and have walked all over them throughout the Peace Conference.  With Islamic Extremism at an all time high, one would think a show of respect and progressive thinking towards the Arabs would be in order, especially considering the sensitivity of the Arab-Israeli issue.  Instead, we have no progress, and we now risk losing our opportunity to convince Palestinians that Israel indeed even wants peace that isnt based entirely on their terms.  

So what is it going to be?  Are the Jews going to crucify a man who actually shows an intent to get things accomplished?  Or is he going to be crucified by a lobby that cares so much about itself that its putting the United States at risk?  Israel is a strong ally of the US, and should certainly remain so.  But enough is enough.  This is the United States, not Israel.  With our soldiers dying across the world to battle this extremism, our country's interests come first, not those of 3000 jewish settlers and AIPAC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As of right now there is a unique chance in Palestine to achieve a peace deal.  Israel has 2 factions- moderate Fatah and militant Hamas- each now distinct palestinian groups with different approaches to Israel.  Israel should be siezing this opportunity to sign into a deal with Abbas for some form of pre-1967 borders and should be working to bring up the economic status of the West Bank to discredit Hamas and all militant activity against Israel.  Instead, Israel has continued to build settlements in East Jerusalem and has refused to forecefully stop settlers from constructing more settlements in the West Bank, instead, it just tells them they dont have permission.  </p>
<p>Israel, however, has done none of that.  Israel has continued to treat the first Palestinians- who havent been violent- like dirt, and have walked all over them throughout the Peace Conference.  With Islamic Extremism at an all time high, one would think a show of respect and progressive thinking towards the Arabs would be in order, especially considering the sensitivity of the Arab-Israeli issue.  Instead, we have no progress, and we now risk losing our opportunity to convince Palestinians that Israel indeed even wants peace that isnt based entirely on their terms.  </p>
<p>So what is it going to be?  Are the Jews going to crucify a man who actually shows an intent to get things accomplished?  Or is he going to be crucified by a lobby that cares so much about itself that its putting the United States at risk?  Israel is a strong ally of the US, and should certainly remain so.  But enough is enough.  This is the United States, not Israel.  With our soldiers dying across the world to battle this extremism, our country&#8217;s interests come first, not those of 3000 jewish settlers and AIPAC.</p>
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		<title>By: Sadanand Dhume</title>
		<link>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-87201</link>
		<dc:creator>Sadanand Dhume</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 22:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-87201</guid>
		<description>Indonesian law requires all citizens to choose one of six recognized religions: Islam, Protestantism, Catholicism, Buddhism, Hinduism and Confucianism. (Confucianism is a recent addition, so Obama would have had only five choices.)

As a Muslim student in a government school Obama would also have had to take lessons in Islam for a couple of hours a week. Had his parents registered him as a Protestant, a Catholic or a Buddhist, then these lessons would have been devoted to one of those faiths instead.

There's absolutely no evidence to suggest that Obama has ever been a believing Muslim, much less a practicing one. (Not that there's anything wrong with either.) There is evidence to suggest that his mother and stepfather--neither of whom were particularly religious--chose to register their son as a Muslim when other options were available. But these were attenuated options; they could not have registered Obama as an atheist, agnostic, humanist or theist. 

Why this should be an issue at all beats me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indonesian law requires all citizens to choose one of six recognized religions: Islam, Protestantism, Catholicism, Buddhism, Hinduism and Confucianism. (Confucianism is a recent addition, so Obama would have had only five choices.)</p>
<p>As a Muslim student in a government school Obama would also have had to take lessons in Islam for a couple of hours a week. Had his parents registered him as a Protestant, a Catholic or a Buddhist, then these lessons would have been devoted to one of those faiths instead.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s absolutely no evidence to suggest that Obama has ever been a believing Muslim, much less a practicing one. (Not that there&#8217;s anything wrong with either.) There is evidence to suggest that his mother and stepfather&#8211;neither of whom were particularly religious&#8211;chose to register their son as a Muslim when other options were available. But these were attenuated options; they could not have registered Obama as an atheist, agnostic, humanist or theist. </p>
<p>Why this should be an issue at all beats me.</p>
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		<title>By: rjschwarz</title>
		<link>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-87182</link>
		<dc:creator>rjschwarz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-87182</guid>
		<description>Dennis, if his father enrolled him the school may have chosen Muslim for him. Going to Mosque with dad because he says so doesn't make someone a real Muslim any more than being dragged to Sunday School makes someone a Christian. A certain belief and faith is required.

There is also the issue of Muslims killing those that leave the religion. To admit he was a Muslim but is now a Christian creates a lot of issues he probably doesn't want to deal with. So is it honesty or logic, belief, and self-preservation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dennis, if his father enrolled him the school may have chosen Muslim for him. Going to Mosque with dad because he says so doesn&#8217;t make someone a real Muslim any more than being dragged to Sunday School makes someone a Christian. A certain belief and faith is required.</p>
<p>There is also the issue of Muslims killing those that leave the religion. To admit he was a Muslim but is now a Christian creates a lot of issues he probably doesn&#8217;t want to deal with. So is it honesty or logic, belief, and self-preservation?</p>
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		<title>By: J.E. Dyer</title>
		<link>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-87168</link>
		<dc:creator>J.E. Dyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the very least, Obama comes off as someone who has not thought through his stance(s) on Israel and the Palestinian Arabs, and determined which principles he considers crucial, and/or will not be budged from.  In that context, we have every right to be concerned about the trend of ideas from his policy advisers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the very least, Obama comes off as someone who has not thought through his stance(s) on Israel and the Palestinian Arabs, and determined which principles he considers crucial, and/or will not be budged from.  In that context, we have every right to be concerned about the trend of ideas from his policy advisers.</p>
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		<title>By: ndm</title>
		<link>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-87137</link>
		<dc:creator>ndm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-87137</guid>
		<description>Eric Trager writes:
&lt;blockquote&gt;
Rather, Jewish concerns regarding Obama’s candidacy should focus on whether Obama and his posse view American Jewry as a stumbling block in the way of promoting U.S. interests in the Middle East. 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
There is absolutely no doubt that American Likudniks are a stumbling block in the way of promoting U.S. and Jewish interests in the Middle East. Obama is running for the Presidency of the United States - not Israel - and there is no reason for him, or any other Presidential candidate, to listen to the weasel voices of treason voiced in the Contentions blog and Commentary magazine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric Trager writes:</p>
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Rather, Jewish concerns regarding Obama’s candidacy should focus on whether Obama and his posse view American Jewry as a stumbling block in the way of promoting U.S. interests in the Middle East.
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<p>There is absolutely no doubt that American Likudniks are a stumbling block in the way of promoting U.S. and Jewish interests in the Middle East. Obama is running for the Presidency of the United States - not Israel - and there is no reason for him, or any other Presidential candidate, to listen to the weasel voices of treason voiced in the Contentions blog and Commentary magazine.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
		<link>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-87121</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-87121</guid>
		<description>I'm willing to accept Obama's claim that he is a Christian now and that he has been for some time (accepting without argument for a moment that the pan-African black power church he belongs to is truly 'Christian'), but why is he completely disingenuous about his past? The fact is that he was born a Muslim, and when he was enrolled in school in Indonesia he was identified by his parent's on his enrollment papers as Muslim. Yet, he claims that he has never been a Muslim. The issue here is not that he is still secretly Muslim, acting stealthily to steal the Preisidency for Muslims as soom looonies may claim. The issue is honesty. If he can't tell the simple straight-forward truth about his heritage, why does anyone expect him to tell the truth about anything else? Yet, the mainstream media won't touch the question for fear of being labelled "anti-Muslim".

For more detail on Obama's Muslim background, see the excellent articles on the subject at Daniel Pipe's website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m willing to accept Obama&#8217;s claim that he is a Christian now and that he has been for some time (accepting without argument for a moment that the pan-African black power church he belongs to is truly &#8216;Christian&#8217;), but why is he completely disingenuous about his past? The fact is that he was born a Muslim, and when he was enrolled in school in Indonesia he was identified by his parent&#8217;s on his enrollment papers as Muslim. Yet, he claims that he has never been a Muslim. The issue here is not that he is still secretly Muslim, acting stealthily to steal the Preisidency for Muslims as soom looonies may claim. The issue is honesty. If he can&#8217;t tell the simple straight-forward truth about his heritage, why does anyone expect him to tell the truth about anything else? Yet, the mainstream media won&#8217;t touch the question for fear of being labelled &#8220;anti-Muslim&#8221;.</p>
<p>For more detail on Obama&#8217;s Muslim background, see the excellent articles on the subject at Daniel Pipe&#8217;s website.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard F.</title>
		<link>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-87117</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-87117</guid>
		<description>For every policy, there must be some constituency. One question not often asked (certainly not by "The Israel Lobby" crowd) is what constituency is there that actively opposes a given policy, in this case, the US support for Israel?

I would argue that Democratic elites break down into three broad categories, all of which for somewhat reasons, oppose current policy with varying degrees of intensity:

1. Transnationalists. (S. Huntington's term) This class represents those whose commercial interests are now multinational, and thus, have weakened national loyalties. (Think Wall Street, Davos attendees, etc.) In many respects, this is the new face of the Democratic elite, having replaced the antique, once-Republican paradigm of "Big Business." This group has no inherent policy leanings, certainly few moral ones, other than a preference for the kind of "stability" that fosters commercial activity. Add to that the natural bias that comes from representing various sovereign entities (i.e., petrodollars) that do have a dog in the fight, and lo and behold, the US-Israel relationship suddenly becomes "counterproductive."

2. Academicians. For regular posters here, this should require little comment other than the observation that US academics have taken their cues from their European counterparts at least since the 1820s, and the fads of "over there" eventually show up here. The fad that Bat Yeor finds "over there" is what she calls the "Palestinianization" of the European academy. Coming soon to a university near you.

3. African-American Leadership. Of course, the "black-Jewish rift" has been discussed since the 1960s. Less often mentioned is the hallucinatory and deeply entrenched anti-Semitism of the black community. Polls bear this out, and I've never seen a good study as to why this is--perhaps another poster can help. But putting aside their prejudices, it should be noted that every group (especially the Jews) suffers from a tendency to project its past onto somebody else's present and future. Thus, Arial Sharon became Bull Connors, Yassir Arafat became MLK, and so forth.

The point of the foregoing is that other than for their fundraising potential, the Democrats have less and less need for Jews. In short, they will become much like the medieval princes who found Jews useful for helping to budget wars, but had little problem turning on them when the mobs howled for Jewish blood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For every policy, there must be some constituency. One question not often asked (certainly not by &#8220;The Israel Lobby&#8221; crowd) is what constituency is there that actively opposes a given policy, in this case, the US support for Israel?</p>
<p>I would argue that Democratic elites break down into three broad categories, all of which for somewhat reasons, oppose current policy with varying degrees of intensity:</p>
<p>1. Transnationalists. (S. Huntington&#8217;s term) This class represents those whose commercial interests are now multinational, and thus, have weakened national loyalties. (Think Wall Street, Davos attendees, etc.) In many respects, this is the new face of the Democratic elite, having replaced the antique, once-Republican paradigm of &#8220;Big Business.&#8221; This group has no inherent policy leanings, certainly few moral ones, other than a preference for the kind of &#8220;stability&#8221; that fosters commercial activity. Add to that the natural bias that comes from representing various sovereign entities (i.e., petrodollars) that do have a dog in the fight, and lo and behold, the US-Israel relationship suddenly becomes &#8220;counterproductive.&#8221;</p>
<p>2. Academicians. For regular posters here, this should require little comment other than the observation that US academics have taken their cues from their European counterparts at least since the 1820s, and the fads of &#8220;over there&#8221; eventually show up here. The fad that Bat Yeor finds &#8220;over there&#8221; is what she calls the &#8220;Palestinianization&#8221; of the European academy. Coming soon to a university near you.</p>
<p>3. African-American Leadership. Of course, the &#8220;black-Jewish rift&#8221; has been discussed since the 1960s. Less often mentioned is the hallucinatory and deeply entrenched anti-Semitism of the black community. Polls bear this out, and I&#8217;ve never seen a good study as to why this is&#8211;perhaps another poster can help. But putting aside their prejudices, it should be noted that every group (especially the Jews) suffers from a tendency to project its past onto somebody else&#8217;s present and future. Thus, Arial Sharon became Bull Connors, Yassir Arafat became MLK, and so forth.</p>
<p>The point of the foregoing is that other than for their fundraising potential, the Democrats have less and less need for Jews. In short, they will become much like the medieval princes who found Jews useful for helping to budget wars, but had little problem turning on them when the mobs howled for Jewish blood.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon S.</title>
		<link>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-87105</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-87105</guid>
		<description>The real Obama is the one who surrounds himself with god-awful leftwing academics and policy advisors who are extremely hostile to Israel.  If Jews or anyone else interested in securing Israel are fooled by campaign rhetoric, they have only themselves to blame for not paying attention.

David:  there was a poll done by the LA Times in August 2006 in the midst of the Israel-Hezbollah war.  You won't be surprised to learn the following:  

When asked if Israel was justified in making war on Hezbollah and if Israel's response was not excessively harsh, a total of 43% said yes.  Of those saying yes, 29% were Democrats and 64% were Republicans.  When asked if Israel was justified in making war on Hezbollah but if they also thought Israel's response was excessively harsh, a total of 16% said yes.  Of those saying yes to this question, 20% were Democrats and 11% were Republicans.  

It gets worse:  when asked should the US continue to align with Israel, only 50% said yes; of this 50%, 39% were Democrats and 64% Republicans.  Adopt a more neutral posture?  44% said yes, of which 54% were Dems and 29% were Repubs.  My guess is Obama and his creepy advisors are aware of this polling data, showing Democrats to be far less supportive of Israel than Republicans.

For the poll itself, go here:  http://latimes.image2.trb.com/lanews/media/acrobat/2006-08/24694273.pdf.  Daniel Pipes has information on this poll and others as well, here:  www.danielpipes.org/blog/579.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real Obama is the one who surrounds himself with god-awful leftwing academics and policy advisors who are extremely hostile to Israel.  If Jews or anyone else interested in securing Israel are fooled by campaign rhetoric, they have only themselves to blame for not paying attention.</p>
<p>David:  there was a poll done by the LA Times in August 2006 in the midst of the Israel-Hezbollah war.  You won&#8217;t be surprised to learn the following:  </p>
<p>When asked if Israel was justified in making war on Hezbollah and if Israel&#8217;s response was not excessively harsh, a total of 43% said yes.  Of those saying yes, 29% were Democrats and 64% were Republicans.  When asked if Israel was justified in making war on Hezbollah but if they also thought Israel&#8217;s response was excessively harsh, a total of 16% said yes.  Of those saying yes to this question, 20% were Democrats and 11% were Republicans.  </p>
<p>It gets worse:  when asked should the US continue to align with Israel, only 50% said yes; of this 50%, 39% were Democrats and 64% Republicans.  Adopt a more neutral posture?  44% said yes, of which 54% were Dems and 29% were Repubs.  My guess is Obama and his creepy advisors are aware of this polling data, showing Democrats to be far less supportive of Israel than Republicans.</p>
<p>For the poll itself, go here:  <a href="http://latimes.image2.trb.com/lanews/media/acrobat/2006-08/24694273.pdf." rel="nofollow">http://latimes.image2.trb.com/lanews/media/acrobat/2006-08/24694273.pdf.</a>  Daniel Pipes has information on this poll and others as well, here:  <a href="http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/579." rel="nofollow">http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/579.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Grumpy Old Man</title>
		<link>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-87101</link>
		<dc:creator>Grumpy Old Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-87101</guid>
		<description>The assumption that American Jews &lt;i&gt;vote&lt;/i&gt; based on Israel policy is overstated. American Jews tend to be anti-war, perhaps naïvely so, and many are filled with UNICEF greeting card dreams of internationalism. Only a minority are actively involved with Middle East matters.

There is a fairly well organized minority, some quite well-to-do and willing to donate to candidates, and some in the punditocracy, who embrace and give great weight to a combative version of Zionism. There are also Christian dispensationalists who are pro-Israel for different reasons.  All viable Democratic candiddates for two generations have made their obeisances to this view, even if not fully embracing it. Sen. Obama is no different in this regard.

Since the demise of the Soviet Union, the close alliance with Israel has made very little strategic sense, but the domestic political cost of soft-pedaling it has outweighed any immediate foreign policy advantage to be gained by doing so. As long as these political realities exist, whether or not a President feels warm and fuzzy about Jews in general, the policy won't change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The assumption that American Jews <i>vote</i> based on Israel policy is overstated. American Jews tend to be anti-war, perhaps naïvely so, and many are filled with UNICEF greeting card dreams of internationalism. Only a minority are actively involved with Middle East matters.</p>
<p>There is a fairly well organized minority, some quite well-to-do and willing to donate to candidates, and some in the punditocracy, who embrace and give great weight to a combative version of Zionism. There are also Christian dispensationalists who are pro-Israel for different reasons.  All viable Democratic candiddates for two generations have made their obeisances to this view, even if not fully embracing it. Sen. Obama is no different in this regard.</p>
<p>Since the demise of the Soviet Union, the close alliance with Israel has made very little strategic sense, but the domestic political cost of soft-pedaling it has outweighed any immediate foreign policy advantage to be gained by doing so. As long as these political realities exist, whether or not a President feels warm and fuzzy about Jews in general, the policy won&#8217;t change.</p>
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		<title>By: David Thomson</title>
		<link>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-87086</link>
		<dc:creator>David Thomson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/trager/2123#comment-87086</guid>
		<description>I have consistently argued since early 2004 that probably a minimum of 33% of those belonging to the Democratic Party are somewhat hostile to Israel.  Unfortunately, I have no polling data to back up my suspicions.  When will such a poll occur?  Could it be that the pollsters, who are often Democratic Party partisans, afraid of what they might find---and how it could impact the elections of 2008?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have consistently argued since early 2004 that probably a minimum of 33% of those belonging to the Democratic Party are somewhat hostile to Israel.  Unfortunately, I have no polling data to back up my suspicions.  When will such a poll occur?  Could it be that the pollsters, who are often Democratic Party partisans, afraid of what they might find&#8212;and how it could impact the elections of 2008?</p>
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